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| Kluvnp |
Posted - 08/11/2005 : 23:45:20
Well, I'm really suprised to see my screenname up here like this. Um, I'm not sure where to start. What is obvious to me is that I somehow stepped on some toes accidently. I'm not exactly sure how that happened, but whatever the case, I certainly apologize. When I found this site, it was my first time here. I looked up a bit on tms online. I can't really remember that day/night very well. Uh, basically I read the posts here and thought I had something in common with the tension aspects. I'm kind of at a loss as to what to say. I'm in shock really. Sorry again, I suppose, although I never met anyone here and I have no clue what I may have said that was offensive. I don]t even know Dr. Sarno. I still haven't read any of his stuff. I thought I may have wanted to but probably not cuz I try not to pay attention to the 'physical' any more.
As for my insane comment, I was referring to how when someone like me is focused on the feelings going on in the body, how it is easy for the mind to come up with all inds of crazy scenarios about what might be going on. I was referring to my own experience about how getting actual knowledge about how the body works can help to alleviate crazy fears about what you think is going on based on the feelings. Tension is deceiving that way. Heck, when you're in pain for a long time it's hard to tell anymore what is causing what. Was it possible for me to be 'twisted up' by a chiropractor? It sure felt like it. But is it possible? I don't know for sure, but I'd like to stay grounded in reality by basing my experience on fact and the truths of how the body functions.
And anyway, that's all from me. Like I said I was new here and didn't mean to offend anyone. Sorry if I did. I've learned tho that some people will be offended no matter what you do or say, regardless of how innocent. If someone manages to be upset at me (a complete stranger to everyone here who means nothing personal and certainly no harm) again for no apparent reason, I will conclude that that is the case here and I probably won't be back here again for help or otherwise.
Bye now.  
KLuvnp
If you want it come and get it, crying out loud. The love that I was giving you was never in doubt. Let go your heart, let go your head and feel it now. Let go your heart, let go your head and feel it now, babylon.
Chorus of "Babylon" by David Gray |
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| art |
Posted - 08/14/2005 : 07:56:42
Jim wrote..I just wanted to make it clear that my previous posting was only aimed at the idea Kluvnp is over-sensitive. I know that you (Art) have apologized and I'm not trying to make you feel guilty again.
I appreciate it Jim. I know you weren't piling on. |
| Jim1999 |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 23:05:02
quote:
Originally posted by art
So Kluvnp, if you're out there, please accept my genuine apology. I had no right to pass judgement. No right at all..
I just wanted to make it clear that my previous posting was only aimed at the idea Kluvnp is over-sensitive. I know that you (Art) have apologized and I'm not trying to make you feel guilty again.
Jim |
| Jim1999 |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 23:00:31
quote:
Originally posted by Dave
[quote]Originally posted by Kluvnp
Why don't you just ignore Art? Why do you care what he thinks?... If it is a requirement for you to 'get along' with every single person on a public Internet forum, then I think that puts a lot of pressure on yourself.
I don't think that this is a fair assesment. Kluvnp had just come here. Coming to a new site is scary, like going to a party where you don't know anyone. She had just barely started posting, when Art did his posting with her name on it. Imagine going to a party where you don't know anyone. You're only there for five minutes when someone points at you and yells, "Hey, everyone! You need to know how bad this person is!" That's a completely different situation than a party full of people you know, with one person you don't get along with.
Jim |
| Scottydog |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 15:08:15
Hi Art,
This must be another TMS symptom. Chronic over analysis of any written or spoken word directed at you!
I'd better apologise too - anything I said was a deliberate attempt to get at anyone I mentioned!
anne
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| art |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 13:54:56
Hi Anne,
I can't argue. In fact, I made a formal appeal to the forum that we do that very thing, that is ignore the bad apples. You know, I'm honestly not sure why I reacted the way I did. I'm old enough, and generally disciplined enough to take a deep breath and count to ten. For whatever reason, I didn't do that this time...
Maybe part of it is that I've been on a bit of a high myself lately. I've been very ill for many years now. Last year I thought I might be dying. Long story, but I genuinely thought there was no where for me to go but down. Suddenly I'm much better. It's almost hard for me to believe that I might be getting a second chance at life. I've been staying up late, running myself a little ragged with all this new found energy. I was very tired. No excuse, but I was.
And you're right, my apology to kluvnp was not as heart felt as my general apology to the group. Annoyingly (  )you picked up on that, although I take issue with your characterization of it as deliberate. I honestly tried, but not hard enough. So Kluvnp, if you're out there, please accept my genuine apology. I had no right to pass judgement. No right at all..
And thanks for your honesty Anne. Much appreciated.
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| Scottydog |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 13:35:24
Hi Art,
Whatever it says about me my take on this was that Kluvmp had said some pretty confusing things in her first message but discovering Sarno put me on a real high and I felt she was probably the same - with it being her first contact to the mboard.
Previous fraudsters on the messageboard have been pretty annoying but I think we should igmore them - a response is what they want. So I felt your were wrong to respond to her if that is what you felt. And my implication that you should have known better still stands!!
Dave jumped on Kluvmp's reply
"Why don't you just ignore Art? Why do you care what he thinks? It seems that you are the one being offended."
- but he didn't say anything about you wrongly accusing her.
That seemed unfair to me. In my view her reply was exactly what you'd expect if in good faith you post a message only to get attacked by existing writers.
Oh, and I also felt that you apologised to the other board members but made a deliberately half hearted one to Klvmp.
Annoyingly I have to admit that what you said about me studying my reponses and learning from them is very true. I can see clearly what wound me up so thankyou for pointing me in that direction.
Anne
Scottydog |
| art |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 12:35:20
Maybe I should just leave well enough alone, but on the other hand I started this whole thing so maybe I still have something to offer.
Dave's right. My response to Kluvnp says a great deal about me, and next to nothing about her.
Scottydog writes that at least Kluvnp has an excuse as she's new to the forum, the clear implication being that I on the other hand have no such excuse. That's fine...I left myself open to that and I'm a big boy and can take it. And yet, maybe Scottydog can take a look at her reactions (to me as well as Kluv) and understand that maybe she too has something to learn by examining them.
I've always had a good deal of confidence in my ability to "read" people, and yet it has gotten me into trouble as well. Clearly this is one of those times. For what it's worth, my reaction to Kluvnp the second time around was that she's choosing to be "wounded" and "offended" as a way to "punish" me and perhaps the forum. In other words, I'm too much of a "jerk" for her to be bothered. The bottom line is that's not all all helpful to her if indeed she has TMS, which of course she very well might...I don't want to speak for Dave but I think that's all that he's saying.
I hope she chooses to come back and work things out and perhaps find a healthier way to live, which is the reason we're all here...
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| JohnD |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 11:09:46
On the other side of the same coin of hyper-sensitivity lies a lack of sensitivity....both are equally out of balance. Yes it might be strange for people to get overly upset from a post written by a complete stranger, but it is also a little bit strange for some people to act like they have certain people all figured out just by reading a post or two that the person wrote. |
| Dave |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 10:19:56
I always find it interesting how people read emotions into text messages. Much of the time that emotion is a projection of the reader's own feelings, because a text message really cannot convey true emotions.
I say what's on my mind, this is just my style. I don't intend to offend anyone or hurt any feelings. Hyper-sensitivity is a common trait in TMS-prone personalities, so it's no wonder that from time to time we have "blow ups" on this forum. I just find it strange how someone can be so deeply offended by words written by a total stranger. If you take a step back and look at it from an outsider's point of view, it is pretty silly, and that's the main point I'm trying to get at. |
| Scottydog |
Posted - 08/13/2005 : 09:39:56
Dave
Surely you've come down a bit hard on Kluvnp. At least he has an excuse as he's new to the forum.
Anne
Scottydog |
| Dave |
Posted - 08/12/2005 : 08:21:50
quote:
Originally posted by Kluvnp
And anyway, that's all from me. Like I said I was new here and didn't mean to offend anyone. Sorry if I did. I've learned tho that some people will be offended no matter what you do or say, regardless of how innocent. If someone manages to be upset at me (a complete stranger to everyone here who means nothing personal and certainly no harm) again for no apparent reason, I will conclude that that is the case here and I probably won't be back here again for help or otherwise.
So, you will let complete strangers control your actions?
Why don't you just ignore Art? Why do you care what he thinks? It seems that you are the one being offended.
That thread bordered on a personal attack and I contemplated deleting it, but for whatever reason I decided to leave it alone.
If you choose not to return to this forum, that's your choice. But I hope you don't make that decision based on some observations by a complete stranger. If that is your perrogative then you should examine why you are being so sensitive. It is a common personality trait in people who have TMS.
If it is a requirement for you to 'get along' with every single person on a public Internet forum, then I think that puts a lot of pressure on yourself. |
| Suz |
Posted - 08/12/2005 : 07:39:47
Kluvnp,
This is awful. I am terribly sorry that I jumped to such a wrong conclusion. I had no right to judge where you were coming from. It is all a bit wierd at first when one discovers Sarno's techniques and approach. I really don't want you to miss the opportunity of getting better and not having any pain any more because of my inconsiderate and arrogant post.
Like Marg said, John Sarno's discoveries have done marvels for many many people. He has stopped roughly 12,000 people in the last 20 years from having to have surgery. I suffered from sciatic pain down my leg and lower back for 12 years and now it has gone which is amazing.I no longer go to the chiropractor of physical therapists or take any pain killers.
I hope that you will continue to post here. This has been a lesson to me not to ever jump to conclusions.
Many apologies.
Suz |
| Marg |
Posted - 08/12/2005 : 00:57:00
Hi KLUVNP, Please do yourself what is possibly the best favour you can and read the work of Dr Sarno. Be very committed, believe what he says. Dr Sarno is good. Better than you'll get anywhere else. He has changed the lives of so many wonderful human beings. And probably in my case saved it. Dr Sarno gives us back our hopes and dreams for our future, he teaches us how to put ourselves back in control of our lives and we then in turn can enrich the lives of those around us. Suddenly we are making a valuable contribution to our society again. Start a fresh, I am sure the forum will value your contribution. But you must first do some work. Dr Sarno is not a quick fix and you can walk away and forget it. The programme is for life, a life time of looking after the physical, spiritual and mindful you. This is something you can do, and the rewards are brilliant. If I had a choice between experiencing Chronic Pain and then recovering from it and never having experienced Chroninc pain in my life I know what I would choose. Chronic Pain did my life a favour. I am far more enriched from having gone through it. There is still work to be done, I guess there always will be but my life is now back in my control thanks to Sarno. |
| Kluvnp |
Posted - 08/12/2005 : 00:03:25
Well, my goodness, Art. I don't even know yet if I am interested for myself, let alone to have to persuade YOU of my interest. lol. Like I said, I just found this site and hadn't even had a knowledge of the existence of Dr. Sarno or his writings. But Art, if your behavior and response to seekers of info is any kind of example of what the books do for people, I think I'll have to pass. My, oh my. Who died and left you the one to answer to, Art? I don't even know you. LOL.
Seems I've come across some more crazy people online... Off to the next site...!! 
If you want it come and get it, crying out loud. The love that I was giving you was never in doubt. Let go your heart, let go your head and feel it now. Let go your heart, let go your head and feel it now, babylon.
Chorus of "Babylon" by David Gray |
| art |
Posted - 08/11/2005 : 23:57:59
Kluv,
Don't blame Suz, this was all my idea. She's just giving a fellow TMS'er some support. My honest assessment of your posts were that they were not serious. This is a public forum and you certainly have the right to participate.
Typically though, if someone joins a forum it's because they have some sincere interest in the area under discussion. Dr. Sarno's ideas are so well known that it's possible to get the basics in just a few minutes with a few clicks of your mouse. That you still haven't done that does nothing to persuade me that you have a genuine interest in TMS.
Still, it's not my place to decide who should or should not participate here. If I was wrong about you you have my sincere apologies.
A.
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