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| Samantha788 |
Posted - 03/08/2012 : 02:32:39
Hi All,
Just wondered if anyone has read Adam Heller's new book "Zero Pain Now" and has any feedback on this?
Also, he lists that he is trained in TimeLine Therapy and I wondered if anyone has tried this therapy and has any feedback?
Samantha |
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| bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 21:49:04
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Originally posted by alix
Thanks Bryan. Do you have a link by chance readily available? If not, no big deal.
Oh, there are dozens. Just do a search. Here's one I found from his last thread here, alone...
You have read several books. I posted a lengthy response to your thread on CFS and what Dr. Low thought about it. Time for it to be used. Avoiding is a habit that can be broken in real time, right now, by summoning the will. I can tell you are quite intelligent and have a good deal to offer the world. Don't light the lamp and keep it under a bowl :)
Here's another similar from a long time ago...
What do you believe is causing your symptoms? If you think something other than nerves is to blame, then why did you find this board, how did you post this question, and why are you reading this answer? If it is because you are still gathering information, that's fine. But there isn't anything anyone can say to assuage your suffering other than, "Wow! Sorry to hear that. Hope that doesn't require surgery." For those of us who remember full well how badly we suffered, how we thought, whose minds have been changed through reading and sharing and even arguing, we can simply say accept it. It is nothing, and you are healthy as a horse. Be glad and of good cheer. You will thank us later. For now, you have a life to lead. Go lead it courageously.
Though admittedly, I was lucky enough to trade a few PMs with Hillbilly and some of that sage advice may have been in PM form. I remember he used to instruct us that at some point, we had to get out of the "information gathering" stage.
So much good info. I highly suggest you search his old posts. I even made a thread where people can post them.
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| alix |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 21:16:23
Thanks Bryan. Do you have a link by chance readily available? If not, no big deal. |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 19:33:31
quote:
Originally posted by alix
[quote]Originally posted by Ace1
Steve-O I believe is the first one that flagged the behavior as a major pitfall.
Hillbilly made a point of that around here for a very long time. But, kudos to SteveO for including that in his book as well. It's good advice, imo.
(Though, I admittedly have borrowed different things from different programs that have helped me.) |
| alix |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 18:24:13
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Originally posted by Ace1
Alix. I think you are correct. I just thought if it only supposedly takes less than 1 wk to get better and he gave it to her for free, I didn't think there would be much lost. I personally don't think it will work, but obviously I don't mind if someone proves me wrong.
I understand Ace. I am just sensitive to the distractions that prevent healing and that I see all around. I know it pretty well. I wasted 2 years jumping from books to videos to worksheets, convinced that I was doing the right thing. Steve-O I believe is the first one that flagged the behavior as a major pitfall. |
| chickenbone |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 14:31:24
Thanks, Alix, interesting.
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| pspa123 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 13:51:20
Aussie is one of the 2.6 percent. |
| alix |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 13:45:27
chickenbone, I read the excerpt of the book on Amazon then searched for keywords. As far as I can tell it is HBP reworded with the addition of NLP as described by Aussie. Nothing earth shattering.
The value of the program must be then in the Skype/email support. |
| chickenbone |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 13:36:12
If Adam was sincere, he would accept the challenge to offer 20 of us difficult cases free treatment in exchange for testimonials if he actually cures us. If successful, he would get tons of business from this site alone.
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| alix |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 13:03:18
Exactly. Some say that part of the placebo effect is a desire to please the doctor. |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 12:55:11
You're better, right? Well, no.
You're better, right? No.
You can't say for sure that you're not better, can you? Well, yes.
You aren't clearly worse, are you? No.
SUCCESS!! |
| alix |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 12:27:11
You are right pspa. I had surgery with a top UCLA guy that claimed 80% success rate (I would get a letter from his lawyer if I were to publish his name here). Following the surgery, his nurse kept calling me monthly to ask me if I was better. Month after month I said no. But then after several months of that comedy, I said: "My pelvic pain is the same but maybe my foot hurts a little bit less".
I never heard back. |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 12:07:36
For everything that ails mankind, there is someone promising a cure (for a price), with alleged statistics and alleged testimonials to back it up. I know a doctor in New York who can cure you of absolutely anything by finding where mercury is hiding in your body and giving you drops to get rid of it (but you can't be exposed to any electromagnetic fields while you are taking the drops). For those of us who have anxiety, that isn't a problem rooted in our genetics and our upbringing, it's mercury in the amygdala, for example. So maybe Adam is the Messiah, but the burden of proof is on him. |
| alix |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 11:43:34
pspa, I think it is psychology. I and another guy did sessions with Don Dubin and at the end we both told Don that it was great and we did not wish $$ to continue. We did not want to offend Don (he was a very nice guy) and we certainly did not want to have to argue or have to decline more sessions.
Both of us were not better but Don certainly had the impression he cured us.
I remember doing a pain program whose founder made amazing claims. But then they decided to send an anonymous questionnaire and the results were very mediocre and not posted. |
| bryan3000 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 11:35:34
This is the thing about sales campaigns. You have to step up the rhetoric from the prior seller to earn business. I'll give Adam this, at 400 bills a pop and a goal of 10 mil sold, he's not messing around. Still, I'd think if his program were indeed the insta-cure he tells us, he would gladly us this forum as a medium to demonstrate his product. Give away 20 cures here. It would cost him nothing. But, could be a public case study for his cure and open the door to a world of orders.
It's funny how mad a couple people became at some of us here who saw this exact thing coming and simply felt a separate forum for product offers would be more appropriate. And yet, here we are. Claims of 2 hour miracle cures with no data to back it up and no intention of helping people here. ("I won't address any posts individually")
Anyway, it'll get worse (Or funnier, depending on how you look at it. )
I'll say it again, thank god for those like Dr
A, Dr Z, Ace, Balto, Hillbilly and a host of others here. |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 11:10:02
If Adam indeed has a program that will quickly cure 97.4 percent of chronic pain patients, or even half for that matter, then how on earth, in this day and age of internet forums Facebook etc. etc. is this such a well-kept secret? I think there are two references to his program in the history of this forum, for example. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 11:04:30
Alix. I think you are correct. I just thought if it only supposedly takes less than 1 wk to get better and he gave it to her for free, I didn't think there would be much lost. I personally don't think it will work, but obviously I don't mind if someone proves me wrong. |
| pspa123 |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 11:04:01
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Originally posted by alix
Barbara, there is so much material on this board to help you heal for free. Read through some of the success stories and if some resonate with your experience, follow their path. Look at Ace's keys, hillbillie's posts, or many others that have so eloquently explained their road to recovery.
To think that you need to follow a structured program to successfully heal plays right into the TMS strategy and will perpetuate the symptoms.
97.4 percent success rate, that doesn't sound like playing into the TMS strategy to me!! |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 10:10:01
To Sylvia: yep. Tried emailing you but it doesn't work.
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| alix |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 09:40:11
Barbara, there is so much material on this board to help you heal for free. Read through some of the success stories and if some resonate with your experience, follow their path. Look at Ace's keys, hillbillie's posts, or many others that have so eloquently explained their road to recovery.
To think that you need to follow a structured program to successfully heal plays right into the TMS strategy and will perpetuate the symptoms. |
| Barbara Carroll |
Posted - 03/29/2013 : 09:01:13
Hi
I would be glad ... Thrilled ... To try Adam's program ... But the prices are way high.
The price is too high for someone who is living on disability.
Adam, please consider what Ace suggested.
I will gladly volunteer.
Thank you |
