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JohnO
USA
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 Posted - 05/03/2007 : 13:08:42
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| I think I did something really stupid. I have been feeling a lot better over recent weeks from lower GI misery. It has taken some time for all the Sarno books and treatments to work but I have felt better and am optimistic going forward. Although I haven’t really felt depressed, my wife says I seem that way at times and convinced me to go on Zoloft. I took my first one this morning and within an hour I was shaky, nauseas and had the lower GI misery all ramped up again. Does anyone think that was my brain rebelling for trying something that was of the “conventional medical” ilk? I can’t imagine what else it could be as side effects, If I were going to have them, side-effects of the drug itself couldn’t rage that quickly, could they? I was afraid to take this stuff in the first place thinking it might be anti-Sarno. Does anyone have any opinions or similar experiences? |
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Gemma_Louise
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 13:29:37
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| Hi. My dad used to take anti-depressants and they had unpleasant side effects. Made him feel dizzy and sick and his moods were up and down all the time. As a result, I've always steered clear of them, even though I've had periods of being pretty depressed. They only mask the real problems, they're not a cure. You need to address the real issues that are causing your depression. Maybe consider counseling? |
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 13:44:48
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Interestingly, I just had the following experience regarding counseling & antidepressants. My therapist, who I've now seen 3 times, asked me if I felt depressed a lot. I said some of the time, not really a lot of the time or most of the time. She suggested that if I start to feel more depressed or more of the time, we keep an open mind about medication.
I have no desire to take antidepressants. They're masking drugs, like painkillers. I need to learn to feel my feelings and thus jostle out the depression, not mask it. I was pretty surprised that she mentioned it, since I regard therapy as a replacemnt for pills unless pills come first and are supposed to be supplemented by therapy.
Anyway, the two aren't mutually exclusive, apparently! I told her that I would prefer not to but would keep it in mind. They can sometimes be used to "get over the hump" I guess, but I don't want to go there myself.
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Gemma_Louise
United Kingdom
68 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 13:51:55
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| I personally believe, they should only be taken in extreme cases, i.e. where someone is depressed to the point of being suicidal and needs something that will help them in the short-term (although they don't kick in instantly). The individual would then probably be wise to have counseling to get to the bottom of the real issues and reduce and stop taking the drugs. |
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electraglideman
USA
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 14:44:40
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JohnO is your wife a Doctor? If not I would not take Zoloft just because my wife wanted me to.
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Shary
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 15:19:44
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JohnO,
EG-man has a good point. Thanks to public advertising, we've become a nation of prescription drug junkies. I'd dump the Zoloft if I were you. There are better, more natural ways to fight depression--if indeed you are depressed. |
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bert
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Posted - 05/03/2007 : 15:47:33
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| I'm new to this TMS stuff. But after seeing many doctors for pain. They want to put me on Cymbalta, a antidepressant and pain reliever at high doses is what the doc told me. I went online and did the research and was not happy about what I read. I told the doc and said your only hearing about the people who had bad experiences and the ones that had good luck with this would not post a reply. I trusted his input and tried it for one month. I have to say it was the worst feeling I'd had taking any medication that I could recall. The doc told me to give it a chance so I did. But quickly called it quits. I have not heard from that doc since. And I really respected him prior. This is what made me try reading up on Dr. Sarno's theory. I also tried zyban years ago to help quit smoking. While it worked to curb the appetite for a cigarette it messed with my head and body big time. Anti-depressants are just not for some people. I've heard though that finding the right one can be the ticket. I just don't see it that way. I was not depressed about life, just the pain I was feeling. When pain free I was fun to be around. But my wife did not see it that way it seemed and actually was a major factor in us separating. She had her own problems with depression and was taking Paxil, and it seemed to help her. So who knows? |
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JohnO
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 17:58:28
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| Thanks for all the talk about anti-depressants but can anyone answer the questions I asked? |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 18:03:22
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I was prescribed prozac one time. I took one pill that night and proceeded to have the most bizarre thoughts while dreaming. Not nightmares, but a nightmare that it felt like 2 people were thinking in my mind. One was having these weird thoughts that I had no control over, and the other was saying "see, I told you this would happen if you did antidepressents"...I got probably 4hrs sleep that night.
Couple weeks later, I was prescribed zoloft. Just take 1/2 a pill a day for a week, then a full pill after that per day.
I never made it past 3 days. Not so much 2 people thinking in my mind this time, but the insomnia kicked in again. And as much as I was hoping this side effect would pass, ( they say it does in a week or so) I could'nt take it anymore. Also, I had 2 beers the night of my last dose (again, just half a pill) and I was attacked by this horrible drugged feeling that passed in about 20min. So after a total of 1 and a half pills over 3 days I stopped. Bummer, I had finally given into taking them, and I really wanted the so called Happy Pills to work for me. But they say it takes a month, and I could'nt shake the insomnia. Also, the next 2 days after I stopped, I had super severe depression. |
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electraglideman
USA
162 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 18:43:06
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If your doing something (taking Zoloft) that you really don't want to do and your doing it just to please someone else, yes rage can cause you to be shakey, nauseas, and have lower GI misery.
Sounds like your beening the good person and doing your best to keep the peace in the family.
Just my humble opinion. |
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sonora sky
USA
181 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 19:24:30
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I think a lot of masking drugs or drugs that work for physical injuries (like painkillers, anti inflam, muscle relaxants, etc.) tend not to work so well for mindbody ailments. Sometimes they give some relief, but in my experience, only temporarily. I went on a similar med for anxiety for a time and found that it worked for the first few weeks to relieve my symptoms, which I associated with stress (which I later found out were TMS symptoms), but the effectiveness soon wore off as my TMS gremlin became wise to the meds. I think this is generally why my muscle-related TMS issues don't respond well to meds, hot/cold treatments, massage, etc.
So, in answer to your question, yes, I think your mind may be rebelling to the meds, because, deep down, you know it won't help the root cause of your distress. As egm suggested, I think the pains could also be fueled by rage towards your wife (or towards yourself, for giving in) who pushed you into getting the meds in the first place, something you were clearly against.
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Shary
147 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 20:57:58
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| In answer to your questions, YES, side effects CAN happen that quickly. It depends on the person. |
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Penny
USA
364 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2007 : 22:23:21
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JohnO, If you have such strong feelings against taking them, then just take them anyway. Even though you've been getting better without medicine, listen to what everyone else is telling you to do, and continue to deny what you know to be your truth. Yes, THAT is the way ... Can you feel my good-intentioned sarcasm???
I'm sorry your struggling and confused. It is SO flipping hard!!!! I would say YES your body and mind could react this quickly to something that you don't want to do and make your Sx return. I understand your dilemna, especially with your spouse. She desperately wants you to get better and has greatest intentions by encouraging you to try the medicine. She (like you) has fear that you will return fully to all the Sx. She wants to help you, but you need to walk your truth. (I hazard a guess that this isn't the first time you've done something you don't feel on-board with? I'm not judging your wife or your marriage ... ALL marriages have this, but our subconscious RAGES against this type of thing to the point that we can get ill.)
Personally, I was Dxed with fibromyalgia, CTS, raynaud's, migraines and given a HOST of meds including Cymbalta. I tried many of them before discovering TMS and Sarno. I SO wanted the meds to work, BUT doing the TMS work is the ONLY thing that ultimately led to my healing. Yes, my X fibro and CTS, and a host of neurological things are GONE! Emotionally TMS work can be a DRAT! BUT It is possible to heal rapidly! For me, I've been doing MUCHO better, but TMS can be a work in progress.
Do what is right for YOU. Don't let me, or anyone tell you what that is. Your truth will set you free.
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phyllis
United Kingdom
46 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2007 : 05:31:16
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May I add my twopence worth?
I have had friends on anti depressants and they never seem to get off them. I say unless you are really really desperate steer clear of them. They are chemicals and our brain is finely tuned and can be unbalanced with weird dreams and nightmares and being not with it. One friend on Prozac behaved strangely, became forgetful and very loud and was constantly yawning (a known side effect. All she talked about was her problems and how awful it was for her, etc. etc.
I think there is a lot of introspection on these forums and people dwell on things a lot. If I feel fed up I go out and do some exercise, gardening, swimming, cycling or walking. I think you have to try and become distracted from this stuff.
I don't come on the forums very much now and have not looked for many weeks until this morning.
I really do sympathise but you have to try and find some distraction techniques that work for you.
Hope I do not sound too harsh. I don't mean to ....
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JohnO
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2007 : 06:27:37
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| Thanks for all the input and advice everyone. My wife wasn't really pushing me into taking this stuff but I know I was down a lot before getting Sarno-ized and better so I understand her viewpoint. I'm not taking this. I could tell from one day it was bad and I think my brain really rebelled about it all. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 05/04/2007 : 06:43:25
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You have made the correct choice JohnO. My doctor put me on a number of drugs early on in my TMS experience and it was horrid, utterly horrid. When they have no anwers they just give you a pill to numb your senses. They are no better than practioners of witchcraft.
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Paul
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Posted - 05/04/2007 : 09:06:54
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Hey John,
Just something you might want to know. I know you suffer from pelvic pain like myself. I actually tried Prozac for almost two weeks and I noticed a HUGE increase in my pelvic pain symptoms. Well, after some research on forums, I found that SSRI type anti-depressants can cause havoc on pelvic pain as a side effect.
I've tried Zoloft and Cymbalta as well and I just couldn't take the side effects. You might try a mood stabilizer like Risperdal. I take a tiny, tiny amount of it and I think it helps. Other than that, I don't take anything else.
I also found myself 10X more depressed on Prozac and bailed. I feel better now.
I've actually had about 3 good days of low pain now. I've been doing a lot of journaling and have been for several weeks.
Cheers!
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justme
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Posted - 05/04/2007 : 17:25:59
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JohnO-
I believe antidepressants can have effects right away. I have two friends who experience the positive effects of them in one day. So, why cant the negative effects happen in one day? As for me, they have not worked. After taking lexapro for only a couple of days I started having panic attacks, complete with very scary palpitations that woke me from my sleep.
I have recently attributed my non-response to certain prescription drugs as a gift - the universe is telling me there is an alternative solution that I am ready for .
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 05/04/2007 : 21:41:59
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JohnO--I would be surprised if the Zoloft affected you that quickly--one hour. You would have to be pretty sensitive to it for that to happen. Two or three days, maybe. Sounds more like the nocebo response, eg, you may have been reluctant, even fearful, of taking it and therefore your response.
Regarding taking meds, I don't think anyone is qualified to make a blanket statement--good vs bad--because everybody is different. I have had both good and bad responses to the antidepressants I have tried off/on over the years. As for whether it makes you a zombie, is "cheating", or interferes with the Sarno program, for me, absolutely not to all three questions; in fact, I would say there is such a subtle difference for me with or w/out meds that I hardly notice the difference. |
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