| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
TDLucero
USA
1 Posts |
 Posted - 08/06/2007 : 17:18:35
|
All,
I have watched Sarno's vidoes several times. I can't seem to get relief or release the pain. I wish I knew what was bothering me. I do believe in his methods however during my recent doctor visit he recommended an MRI - Just in case - and he found a ruptured disc with an nerve impingement on my L5. He suggested surgery. Given what I know about Sarno I said no. For some reason I'm not back to 100% and still have nagging pain going on 3 months.
I'm open to ANY advice!
T
T.Lucero |
|
|
carbar
USA
227 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2007 : 18:55:02
|
Hi TD, Welcome!
Well, since you are familiar Sarno, you probably know that ruptured discs and odd looking nerve happenings will show up in MRIs of folks that report no back pain at all.
You didn't mention much about what is going on in your life. Any big changes that could be fueling some unconscious rage?
If you haven't gotten it yet, The Divided Mind, Sarno's latest book is quite interesting. Chapter 4 (I think) about Treatment details the follow up that Sarno gives his patients after they attend the series of lectures that are on videotape. It includes prompts for writing about things that are leading to stored up unconscious rage. If you are looking for some new guidance this is it!
|
 |
|
|
skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2007 : 19:00:19
|
Sarno talks about fighting TMS, confronting it. But he also states accept TMS as universal, meaning it's not your fault.
I got good advice on this board as far as accepting the pain/fear as the benign TMS conditioning. I think it's playing a part and helping. It's as if it took the power away from the distraction mechanism and allowing me to look inwards.
|
|
|
|
shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2007 : 19:53:43
|
TDLucero,
How do feel about the "ruptured disc"? It seems that all of a sudden in the history of humanity millions of people are getting ruptured discs and hobbling around in pain. Why do you suppose that is so?
*******
Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." It's all you need to know in order to recover. |
|
|
|
mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2007 : 19:56:20
|
Besides watching the video what other Sarno steps have you taken towards getting better? Are you journalling, staying active etc?
It seems to me that the finding of the ruptured disk is getting in the way of yr recovery. Its understandable. It's hard not to believe what the so called experts says especially when they sound so authoritative and knowledgable but believe me they don't know everything.
I still remember how my pain suddenly became worse after I heard the doctor tell me I had degeneration in the lumbar region, a spine that is too curved, arthritis etc. I also remember how different doctors I went to gave me conflicting advice and the more honest ones saying they didn't really know since the back is such a mystery. I was told have an op and no, don't have an op.
Nothing worked except Sarno but you need to get over the fear and do the work.
So my question is Are you doing that?
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
|
|
|
Jim1999
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 08/06/2007 : 22:47:12
|
quote:
Originally posted by TDLucero
All,
I have watched Sarno's vidoes several times. I can't seem to get relief or release the pain. I wish I knew what was bothering me. I do believe in his methods however during my recent doctor visit he recommended an MRI - Just in case - and he found a ruptured disc with an nerve impingement on my L5. He suggested surgery. Given what I know about Sarno I said no. For some reason I'm not back to 100% and still have nagging pain going on 3 months.
I'm open to ANY advice!
T
T.Lucero
T.Lucero,
While some consider Dr. Sarno's videos to be quite helpful, I'm not sure that they are an adequate replacement for his books. Have you been reading one of his books? My favorite of his books is "Healing Back Pain". At the top of page 101, Dr. Sarno agrees with Dr. Rosomoff, a neurosurgeon who said that disc herniations are not capable of causing pain, only numbness. This is something you might want to consider.
Jim |
|
|
|
Webdan65
USA
182 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 12:44:00
|
quote:
Originally posted by shawnsmith
TDLucero,
How do feel about the "ruptured disc"? It seems that all of a sudden in the history of humanity millions of people are getting ruptured discs and hobbling around in pain. Why do you suppose that is so?
*******
Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." It's all you need to know in order to recover.
New member here: Just my 2 cents. I don't think that millions of people are now getting ruptured disks. I think these problems have been around for ages. It's just now that we have the imaging equipment to SEE these imperfections now more than ever. And in our medical communities fascination with the body as machine to be fixed with hammers and screwdrivers - the physical is always to blame. Amazing how wrong the majority is in the case of chronic pain.
|
|
|
|
justme
63 Posts |
Posted - 08/07/2007 : 17:06:06
|
Hi-
I do not have great faith in MRI's and other tests like it (in my case endoscopies). A structural deviance is seen and blamed for the pain, with absolutely no proof of cause and effect.
Take my situation: I have a globus sensation in my chest. I go for endoscopy, they find hiatal hernia and mild reflux and blame the globus sensation on it. Then they prescribe 3 months worth of several different types of reflux med. Meds do NOTHING for globus sensation. I do my own research and find out that 50% of people with hiatal hernias have not symptoms at all. I cannot get the specialist to look beyond the hernia. He is a specialist - he will not budge.
I am going to start pursuing psychotherapy this Friday with a mind/body based counselor.
I am sorry I ever went for the endoscopy. I read in one metaphysically based book, that once another person witnesses something, it gives the thing strength. Sort of along the lines of "If a tree fell in the forest and nobody witnessed it falling, would the tree have fallen?"
I urge you to not focus on the MRI. A cousin of mine went to see Dr. Sarno and he said Dr. Sarno took the MRI he handed him and threw it on the desk or table, as if to indicate "this is worth nothing". |
|
|
|
Scottydog
United Kingdom
330 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2007 : 22:42:51
|
Jim said
quote:
Dr. Sarno agrees with Dr. Rosomoff, a neurosurgeon who said that disc herniations are not capable of causing pain, only numbness.
I googled Dr Rosomoff and found this
quote:
You're talking about patients in chronic pain, which is very complicated and complex," Dr. Rosomoff says. "They have physical abnormalities, mental abnormalities, depression, anxiety, so in order to treat that you need a team." The doctor discovered that if patients underwent a four-week program of intense physical and mental therapy--coupled with some medicines, though he tries to get his patients off narcotics--the need for surgery is drastically reduced. "People come to us who have had up to 32 operations, if you can believe that," he says. "A patient enters our program and in four short weeks they get their life back. It's tremendously gratifying"
at
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0OQD/is_7_6/ai_107140434/pg_8
Interesting.
Anne |
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
ADVICE NEEDED
