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maccafan
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 Posted - 05/06/2012 : 12:41:30
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Recently this guy went on another out of control rant screaming and yelling about a movie script or something. He was totally out of it spewing his rage. If he's still repressing any rage that he is not already exhibiting I hate to think what he is capable of. Is this the bizarre fury that is going on in our unconscious mind that causes it to create painful physical symptoms to distract us and keep it repressed? Obiviously he has no filter and probably no TMS!
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lynnl
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Posted - 05/06/2012 : 13:43:46
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My guess is "no, it's not."
At least for most of us. But then how would one ever know?
In my case I certainly never encountered, or deduced any evidence that any emotions of that magnitude were the factors involved.
That's not meant to suggest that addressing strong emotions can't or won't play a strong therapeutic role. In other words, in my opinion "what's eating you" and what's going to ultimately soothe you don't have to be the same. ...I know that sounds confusing.
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Wodg
Australia
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 07:30:28
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Originally posted by maccafan
Recently this guy went on another out of control rant screaming and yelling about a movie script or something. He was totally out of it spewing his rage. If he's still repressing any rage that he is not already exhibiting I hate to think what he is capable of. Is this the bizarre fury that is going on in our unconscious mind that causes it to create painful physical symptoms to distract us and keep it repressed? Obiviously he has no filter and probably no TMS!
I think he is being really screwed over by his ice queen ex. His first wife was supposedly really nice and he was spoilt. |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 09:27:52
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Originally posted by Wodg
I think he is being really screwed over by his ice queen ex. His first wife was supposedly really nice and he was spoilt.
Hope there is a bit of sarcasm in this response.
Clearly Gibson does not have TMS because his rage is turned outward, not repressed. This man is full of hate.
Just goes to show, all the money in the world can't make a sick man happy. |
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maccafan
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 13:56:03
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I have read all of Dr. Sarno's books and the thing that he stresses the most is that repressed unconscious rage is the main source of TMS symptoms. On page 108 and 109 of The Divided Mind he talks about how one must learn to think of these unconscious feelings in volcanic terms. I also remember reading something in one of his books that really has stuck in my memory but I can't find it now. He wrote about a young guy who had suffered a serious brain injury. The doctors warned his mother before she visited him that only the most primative part of his brain was still able to work and that he was now very violent. When his mother went in to see him he reacted with violence making horrible gutteral sounds through gritted teeth and was very aggressive towards her even though he was strapped down. But when he saw his mother crying he calmed down some and a tear rolled down his cheek. In the book it was explained that he was only able to react from his id due to his head injury and that even though the id is violent, selfish and out of control it is still able to feel emotions of things like basic sympathy. This has stuck with me ever since I read this. It was really upsetting to me that this is going on in some part of our unconcious mind. But I do believe it and this is a good example of what we're dealing with. It has to be out of control in there and that's why the severe physical symptoms of pain, etc. are needed to distract us from this bizarre nightmare part of our minds and keep it from erupting into consciousness. It was also expained that is where the phenomena of things like road rage comes from.
Has Mel Gibson's repressed rage escaped from his unconscious mind? Scary!
My Dr. Sarno books are all highlighted, underlined and corners bent down but I can't find the story about the head injured boy which I Know is in one of the books. Anyone else remember where it is? |
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lynnl
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 17:17:49
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Originally posted by maccafan
I have read all of Dr. Sarno's books and the thing that he stresses the most is that repressed unconscious rage is the main source of TMS symptoms. ....
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My Dr. Sarno books are all highlighted, underlined and corners bent down but I can't find the story about the head injured boy which I Know is in one of the books. Anyone else remember where it is?
I too have all of Dr Sarno's books, and have read them all numerous times (except the first, "Mind Over Back Pain" which to me is surpassed by HBP). But I don't remember ever reading that story you refer to.
Regarding the "unconscious rage" issue: I know this is going to sound like heresy here, but no one, not Dr Sarno or anyone else, can know for sure exactly what workings are going on in the unconscious mind. Dr Sarno offers that as a "model" for how it works. And it's a good model too, simple, easily understood and it "makes sense." I'm sure that (rage) is the issue for some people, but I'm equally sure that's not the only emotion involved. Personally, I suspect it's really more of an amalgam of emotions that are at work in many of us.
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Wodg
Australia
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 18:24:42
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Originally posted by Dave
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Originally posted by Wodg
I think he is being really screwed over by his ice queen ex. His first wife was supposedly really nice and he was spoilt.
Hope there is a bit of sarcasm in this response.
Clearly Gibson does not have TMS because his rage is turned outward, not repressed. This man is full of hate.
Just goes to show, all the money in the world can't make a sick man happy.
No sarcasm.
His ex has accused him of domestic violence with no evidence and has now dropped the charges! Playing him, making up lies trying to take custody of his child (using lies)
I would be in rage as well.
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maccafan
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Posted - 05/08/2012 : 20:25:14
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There are other emotions involved in causing TMS but through out all his books, audio and video tapes and recorded interviews he points out that through his observations and experiences with his patients since the 1970's he has learned that repressed unconscious rage is the main one.
I'll find the story that I remember sooner or later. It's in one of his books. I haven't read any other books on TMS or similar literature. I haven't needed to.
Mel Gibson's latest rant was towards Joe Eszterhas about the lack of progress with "The Maccabee's" movie script. Joe taped it he said because he was in fear of Mel. I heard the audio tape on some news show. The guy was out of it again with total rage and saying crazy things. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2012 : 03:47:24
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the thing about unconscious rage is that it is really just life energy turned inside out
I have worked since 1971 with people to access unconscious rage in a way that it doesn't bond with thoughts and become hate or out-of-control violence, although sometimes a bit of pillow-bashing gets the ball rolling and sometimes a bit of dumping of resentments to a compassionate ear does the same. But that'Is only a very short phase. I've come to consider that both over-repressed and over-expressed rage are equally off the mark. Some people go one way, some another. Obviously, Mel over-expresses and projects. Most of us here repress (and also project).
But there IS a middle path, between expressing and repressing - which I tried to explain in a recent thread. Actually FEELING the rage/anger free from the story with which it is enmeshed. It takes a fluid, free body and free, open breathing, and someone holding space who makes things safe. Then pretty quickly, after a few rounds of allowing the story to which the backed-up energy has become attached to come out, it's very possible and easy to actually enter the direct experience of that reservoir or rage, without resisting it or needing to hurl it at anyone. Or have some kind of intense dramatic catharsis, although there IS physical release in a kind of natural way.
I'm not imagining this - I've done it with literally hundreds of people for 32 years. And btw I'm not looking for clients or anything like that. I would love to convey this method. The only problem is that one of the ingredients is an experienced "space-holder." Most therapists just listen to and try to perhaps help us adjust the "stories," but greatly fear the accessing of the energy behind them (whether rage, fear or grief).
To say it again, there is a place between over-expression and repression, where you actually FEEL THE FEELING free from the story which seems to have caused it, often in reiterations going back throughout our lives. Once felt directly in the body, the feeling transmutes pretty quickly into power/nrg. Breathing in a peaceful but connected fashion makes this work, and also relaxing the body and allowing it to move around and sort of unravel the knots it's holding.
Knowing all this, I still go through my waves of TMS, and have a hard time getting someone to hold space for me, but when I do, I feel better immdiately.
Hope this is of some value to someone in your own explorations.
The so-called unconscious anger can be brought into consciousness quite safely and turns very quickly into an experience of power and life energy surging through the body. When it gets backed up, it creates all kinds of knots in the body energy system - oxygen deprivation being one possible avenue of course.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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lynnl
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109 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2012 : 08:34:41
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What's a "space holder?"
What's "power/nrg?"
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 07/11/2012 : 13:05:11
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I have read all of Dr. Sarno's books and the thing that he stresses the most is that repressed unconscious rage is the main source of TMS symptoms. On page 108 and 109 of The Divided Mind he talks about how one must learn to think of these unconscious feelings in volcanic terms. I also remember reading something in one of his books that really has stuck in my memory but I can't find it now. He wrote about a young guy who had suffered a serious brain injury. The doctors warned his mother before she visited him that only the most primative part of his brain was still able to work and that he was now very violent. When his mother went in to see him he reacted with violence making horrible gutteral sounds through gritted teeth and was very aggressive towards her even though he was strapped down. But when he saw his mother crying he calmed down some and a tear rolled down his cheek. In the book it was explained that he was only able to react from his id due to his head injury and that even though the id is violent, selfish and out of control it is still able to feel emotions of things like basic sympathy. This has stuck with me ever since I read this. It was really upsetting to me that this is going on in some part of our unconcious mind. But I do believe it and this is a good example of what we're dealing with. It has to be out of control in there and that's why the severe physical symptoms of pain, etc. are needed to distract us from this bizarre nightmare part of our minds and keep it from erupting into consciousness. It was also expained that is where the phenomena of things like road rage comes from.
Has Mel Gibson's repressed rage escaped from his unconscious mind? Scary!
My Dr. Sarno books are all highlighted, underlined and corners bent down but I can't find the story about the head injured boy which I Know is in one of the books. Anyone else remember where it is?
I found it! It is on pages 56 through 58 in "The Divided Mind" under the section called Evolution and the ID. I didn't remember the details exactly right but the story of this head injured boy is there. And it explains what I was trying to say in my original post. |
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