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art
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 Posted - 07/25/2012 : 06:00:37
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Originally posted by tennis tom
Art FYI,
SteveO mentions swelling as a TMS manifestation and the Good Doctor uses the terms psychosomatic and TMS interchangeably.
Hope that helps.
Yes, I agree that TMS and psychomatic are synonyms.Accepting for the moment that swelling is indeed sometimes a TMS manifestation in no way implies that it always is. That's pretty self evident. |
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SteveO
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Posted - 07/25/2012 : 22:53:30
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Erata, on my page 182 I have an example of what happened to you (except the wedding part)that was published in Basic Principles of Psychoanalysis. Thanks for letting me know it still happens. Amazing.The reverse is also true. I wrote about it in GPD; 2 people I know have their pain stop immediately if someone touches them. This is why chiro adjustments sometimes work in the short term. Human touch trumps all placebo modalities because it connects the unconnected which is what people desperately need--to feel connected and away from the fear of isolation. And love is the only true answer.
Swelling is absolutely part of the TMS process. Dr. Sarno wrote early on that the anti-inflammatories wouldn't work because no one had proved there was swelling in the spine, and he's still right, no one has.
But he's seen swelling elsewhere. I've had it, Dr. Sopher has had it, and I've seen around 12 people who get it regularly. It's also a part of something called pseudo-gout which mimics gout without the elevated uric acid. I know a lawyer whose elbow swells when he's in court and under stress. Stress can cause swelling and bleeding and anything you can imagine.
I worked with a man on his TMS who was bleeding rectally. His work and family had gotten to him. His was extreme tension induced bleeding and it was seen on a colonoscopy. He finally healed after understanding that he was under enough stress to alter his physiology. But swelling and bleeding can be dangerous signs and they should be treated with great caution. They need to be checked out---all the time.
I spoke with Filipe, who started this thread, by Skype. He was such a nice guy and very intelligent. He was visibly shaken and in panic attack mode. I couldn't calm him down so he needed his symptom from something deeper. There was some work there to be done.
His pudendal neuraligia was his protector and punisher. Remember, these "real problems" more often have psychological bases. They can be over come by those same mechanisms. His doctor had crippled him with a dire warning, and as Dr. Sarno said they are creating a nation of the partially disabled. Filipe's nation was Portugal but it's the same idea.
Also, be careful of falling into the "it's part of aging" snare. I've seen people in their 70s heal from TMS, who are now in their 80s and they feel fine. I feel better than I did 30 years ago, and for those who like math they can figure out how much older I am than I was 30 years ago.
Does the body eventually break down? Of course. We know that the reason we eventually die is due to cell oxidation. They simply wear down over time if we are lucky. Most of these aging things are part of the mindbody syndrome. If a joint wears out it needs replaced, but the bursa and other areas are fine and rarely subject to such wear that they would cause daily pain.
I also saw on another thread, someone say "not all things are TMS." They went on to explain that their thing occurred routinely. But routine things are more likely TMS because of conditioning, and the body's stored memory. I would like to know what comes round every so often that's not TMS? It could happen but it's rare. So beware of the brain fooling you into thinking you have a real injury or real problem because that's exactly what your brain wants you to think.
Steve
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Posted - 07/26/2012 : 08:55:24
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"I also saw on another thread, someone say "not all things are TMS." They went on to explain that their thing occurred routinely. But routine things are more likely TMS because of conditioning, and the body's stored memory. I would like to know what comes round every so often that's not TMS? It could happen but it's rare. So beware of the brain fooling you into thinking you have a real injury or real problem because that's exactly what your brain wants you to think. "
Hey Steve,
I don't know that it was me, but it certainly could have been. In my opinion I see the "when all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail" syndrome all the time on this fine forum. A good example is your statement, "absolutely, swelling is part of the TMS process." Well fine, let's accept that. BUt you have to be careful to draw lines. I assume you'd agree that swelling is not always TMS. Perhaps not even usually.
I've had swelling with a fractured bone, with torn tendons (twice), and a torn ligament. IN all cases..well perhaps not the fracture... had I just wandered onto this board and asked the usual newbie question, I'd likely have been told, "No worries. If you fit the personality profile it's very likely TMS.
I broke my ankle some years ago, much pain, much swelling, and not realizing I had a break. I went on my merry (but deeply pain-ridden) way, in the process doing my ankle much harm. Very stupid on my part, granted.
I had a similar experience very recently when I ignored knee pain and swelling on the assumption it was TMS. I have a substantial tear now and can't run for months. I turned what would have been a month on the sidelines into one of the most debilitating running injuries of my life.
You've got the fire of an evangelist, And you're going to be quite popular around here. And that's fine. We need charismatic voices. I personally have much interest in your point of view. I'm just counseling a little more balance. And in fairness, since I've not read too many of your posts, perhaps you're endeavoring to do that...
Edit: I'd also like to add, and correct me if you think I'm wrong, that swelling associated with genuine bursitis cannot be ignored in the way one ignores a painful back. Using an actually inflamed, leaking joint as if it weren't injured in the slightest, is I don't believe a wise thing to do.
By the way, what's your take on inflammation? |
Edited by - art on 07/26/2012 09:43:07 |
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