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| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 09:56:14
Dear balto and anyone interested
I found a very good website it is seeing.org The introduction and FAQ are very good and simple for when your just starting out. Good luck |
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/24/2012 : 11:16:30
No I am just doing everything on my own. I bet a teacher would help speed things along, but I'd rather do this myself. Yes the two sites are all I really use really just Dr, Bates' writings, but you have to remember the most important is to remember to relax the mental strain and dont stare or force things to come out and practice reading things at a distance without glasses as much as possible. Also when you look at an object a lot of times we just glance at it expecting to see the whole object at once then quickly move to the next object and do the same thing. Are eyes dont work that way (read about central fixation) So the central theme of TMS is seen again, when we are in a rush, and that is the basic cause of the strain. You have to take your time to see every object and enjoy it, not just as a means to obtain information. enjoy the color, the look and take your time, you will see a difference, but it takes practice and perseverence. You will be tempted to quit on many occasions, but in the long run is were it is worth it. |
| drh7900 |
Posted - 07/24/2012 : 09:03:31
Ace1, I have done a lot of reading on seeing.org so far...haven't finished yet, by far, but I'm curious...are you working exclusively with the reading materials between the bates site and the seeing.org site or have you worked with any of the BAVE educators? They mention taking 6 to 10 classes for faster recovery, but that's money (and time) I don't have right now. I'm hopeful that I can find the time to read all the materials between the two sites and work on self-implementation like I'm working on with TMS.
I find it hard to be willing to go without my glasses right now tho. I do it for short periods right now, even at work, but then I catch myself straining to read my computer screen which seems counter-productive. But...like I said, I haven't read all the material yet...perhaps I'm being too ambitious 
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/23/2012 : 05:00:59
Hi I read the book mentioned above. The good points is that it's easy to read and inspiring as you hear people getting better and stresses the one of the most important points which is to try not to wear your glasses. The bad points is it doesn't really stress that strain is the culprit of the blurry vision. He also doesn't give dr bates enough credit. He try's to act as if he is the main one who discovered all of this. In addition I think he is contradictory which makes me somewhat suspect of his book. The reason I say that is if you go to his website he is trying to sell some contraption to improve vision which goes against the concepts in his book. He also states that after he achieved perfect vision, the retinascope said he did not have 20/20 although he actually did, well in my wife's case the retinascope did confirm the improvement and dr bates repeatedly mentions the improvement correlates with retinascope findings. So on other words I think it's a good supplement to give some people confidence by seeing examples of people getting better, but in my opinion it is not a good stand alone source. |
| altherunner |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 20:36:26
i would also reccomend a book " Take Off Your Glasses and See" by Jacob Liberman, i was able to reduce the time spent wearing glasses by 80%. I just bought a used copy, as I have given several away. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 11:01:56
One more point I think degenerative changes should not result in ill health unless TMS or acute physical trauma is involved. Good luck |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 07:24:00
Yes poor eyesight in children is always TMS unless the child was born with some structural defect. Even in that case there is a guy by the name of Meir schneider who was born blind and now using the bates method supposedly has an unrestricted California drivers licencse. I don't think he is 20/20 yet but maybe somthing like 20/40. |
| mala |
Posted - 07/22/2012 : 01:03:12
Ok now I'm confused. So when is a symptom like pain or in this case poor eyesight deemed to be tms & when is it deemed to be part of growing old or real degeneration. In other words how does one know this pain or symptom is tms & this one is not.
Poor eyesight in children. Is that tms?
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala |
| TaylorJoh |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 18:15:38
Thank you very much for the web site link. My sight is just now starting to get bad. I've never not been able to read a book and it's quite frustrating. If I can reverse it now, I'll be very grateful. Wearing glasses is not something I want to have to do. |
| Wavy Soul |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 14:40:01
Hi,
I have been married 3 times. What has this to do with vision therapy? All 3 of my husbands spent hours, weeks, months trying to heal their eyesight with the Bates bethod. I didn't suggest it. I just pick 'em. It didn't work.
However, I do believe it DOES work, and for myself, I'm with TT here - I want to pick my battles. Presbyopia - maybe next life I'll fix it. But this double vision that has been a major problem since my life stresses multiplied, now THAT is worth some of my time and effort.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
| balto |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 10:19:15
Here is the link to Dr Bates's book for those who want to read it: http://www.central-fixation.com/perfect-sight-without-glasses/
TT, I think Ace1 mean to say that poor eye sight due to aging can be reverse using Dr Bates's method. Many poor eye sights are due to eye strain and not due to aging as we thought.
My thought is the book is free and many people have improved they visions using it so I'm going to give it a try. I'm 48 now and have been using Costco's reading glasses for the past 8 years. My sister is an eye doctor and she confirm to me that Dr Bates' method does work for many, the problem is most people give up too soon and like you said, it is quicker and it doesn't cost much to help out Costco.
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| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 09:45:37
Also one more point the original source - dr bates work -is all I need to see if this is a curable condition. I would not go to a secondary source to find my answers. It ok if you don't believe me but if you go to the original source you will see what I'm talking about. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 09:38:58
Oh by the way squinting to see is the worst thing to do when trying to correct your vision and wearing glasses just prevents the ability to reverse the problem. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 09:36:11
All I'm saying Tom is what you are discussing is also curable but that may not be important to some and that's ok. Good luck |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 08:56:03
I think we're beating a dead horse (or bull here) ace. The link I provided from wiki is about normal "gray hair of the eyes" that comes with aging later in life and NOT eye problems early in life due to TMS types of stress or tension. The books I have recommended are fully in accord with the Bates method, my own eye doctor is a vision behaviorist (that I seldom need to see except when I have some eye trauma like getting hit in the eye by a tennis ball).
I replied to Balto to reassure him that others like myself have difficulty reading the fine print on supermarket shelves too and not to feel personally bad about it or that he had to run out and fix something. I have looked at the site you mentioned. Maybe you should look at the books I have mentioned, by Dr. Robert Michael Kaplan, that I read years ago and alleviated any fears I had about vision/Vision issues. I'm not afraid to put on some cheap readers to read a label, that they will somehow do some irreparable damage. I could force my focus to squint and read the tiny print but it's just not that important to me, it's quicker to dig out the Costco readers. I think we're on different pages here ace, a discussion board is not always the best form of communicating--maybe the worst. Feel free to email me through the forum's instant messaging and I'll give you my phone number and I can share with you better what I'm saying in regards to vision/Vision.
Cheers |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 08:04:45
Yes tt, it is strain related. Just read the websites that I posted and see that many people including dr bates himself have cured themselves of presbyopia. There are theories that are wrong for the reason it happens which they say is bc of inflexibility of he lens but if you read dr bates' work you'll see why this is not true. It is like seeing changes on the spine related to old age and then attributing that as the cause of chronic back pain. It is the same concept exactly. Imagine you gave me the link on Wikipedia on chronic back pain, I doubt it would tell us the truth, i dont see any difference with the wikipedia link you sent above. I am going to tell you that preventing a tension related disorder is much easier than reversing one. So if you did attempt to reverse it it may take some work and it may not be easy. Good luck to you. I do think there is a trick to "getting it".which I am still learning |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/21/2012 : 02:23:28
Ace we are talking eye-ball apples and oranges. I'm 64, in my fifties I needed to have reading glasses for the first time for normal aging of the eyes. You are talking about vision problems due to mindbody tension. I totally agree that TMS can manifest itself with blurred vision or other vision problems due to stress. What the eyes see is interpreted or misinterpreted by the brain. Give yourself a few more years and you'll see what I'm talking about. I don't know how old Balto is but if his issue is not being able to read the fine print at the supermarket, then that can be solved with cheap readers. That's what he complained about in his recent post. |
| Ace1 |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 23:09:43
Sorry tt
I strongly disagree with you, actually, presbyopia is what dr bates cured himself of. The bates method works very well for this strain related disorder as well. Just read dr bates work and he will clearly mention this. I don't think tt that you are familiar with dr bates' work bc it is clearly written on his writings and it is in the FAQ on seeing.com |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 19:42:58
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Originally posted by balto
... I am tire(d) of going to the market and find out I have left my reading glasses in the car when I want to read the labels on some products. Or going to a dimly lit chinese restaurant and couldn't read the menu.
Balto, what you are referring to is presbyopia, which is normal aging of the eyes similar to what Dr. Sarno refers to as "gray hair of the spine". We all get it as we age around forty to fifty. I would not worry about this. I just get the cheap Costco reader three packs for under $20 and leave then scattered everywhere. I can relate to what you are talking about trying to read the fine print at the supermarket. You can always squint forcing your eyes to focus but it's more expedient timewise to just pull out the readers. It may be more about how you feel about aging in this regard rather than a TMS thing.
Vision exercises are good for other things though. I have done eye therapy exercises with an eye therapist, it's like yoga for the eyes. For me now, watching the tennis ball is all the eye exercise I need, fortunately the tennis ball is a big optic yellow sphere.
Here's some info on presbyopia from the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyopia |
| balto |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 12:49:12
Thank you Ace1, It look like a very easy to follow website for me. I will spend sometime study it. I am tire of going to the market and find out I have left my reading glasses in the car when I want to read the labels on some products. Or going to a dimly lit chinese restaurant and couldn't read the menu.
So many conditions are mindbody related now. Don't tell me tooth decay or cavity is a form of tms too. :)
again, thanks Ace1.
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/20/2012 : 12:22:46
In addition to Ace's info there are several excellent books on "vision" and "VISION" by Dr. Robert-Michael Kaplan: "THE POWER BEHIND YOUR EYES" and "SEEING WITHOUT GLASSES".
I would characterize his philosophy as Yoga for your eyes. It's a mindbody approach to vision/VISION, in harmony with TMS theory. The goal is to wean you off of your glasses and to decrease your progressive prescriptions. I'm sure he was a disciple of Dr. Bates also. |
