Dear balto and anyone interested I found a very good website it is seeing.org The introduction and FAQ are very good and simple for when your just starting out. Good luck
I have been following your exchanges with Balto on this topic very keenly as I am also really interested in improving my eyesight (which I notice has deteriorated quite significantly in the last number of months) (which has also coincidentally! been a very high stress time in my life.) I really appreciate your posting this and also the encouragement you have provided !! THANK YOU !!!!!
In addition to Ace's info there are several excellent books on "vision" and "VISION" by Dr. Robert-Michael Kaplan: "THE POWER BEHIND YOUR EYES" and "SEEING WITHOUT GLASSES".
I would characterize his philosophy as Yoga for your eyes. It's a mindbody approach to vision/VISION, in harmony with TMS theory. The goal is to wean you off of your glasses and to decrease your progressive prescriptions. I'm sure he was a disciple of Dr. Bates also.
Thank you Ace1, It look like a very easy to follow website for me. I will spend sometime study it. I am tire of going to the market and find out I have left my reading glasses in the car when I want to read the labels on some products. Or going to a dimly lit chinese restaurant and couldn't read the menu.
So many conditions are mindbody related now. Don't tell me tooth decay or cavity is a form of tms too. :)
again, thanks Ace1.
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... I am tire(d) of going to the market and find out I have left my reading glasses in the car when I want to read the labels on some products. Or going to a dimly lit chinese restaurant and couldn't read the menu.
Balto, what you are referring to is presbyopia, which is normal aging of the eyes similar to what Dr. Sarno refers to as "gray hair of the spine". We all get it as we age around forty to fifty. I would not worry about this. I just get the cheap Costco reader three packs for under $20 and leave then scattered everywhere. I can relate to what you are talking about trying to read the fine print at the supermarket. You can always squint forcing your eyes to focus but it's more expedient timewise to just pull out the readers. It may be more about how you feel about aging in this regard rather than a TMS thing.
Vision exercises are good for other things though. I have done eye therapy exercises with an eye therapist, it's like yoga for the eyes. For me now, watching the tennis ball is all the eye exercise I need, fortunately the tennis ball is a big optic yellow sphere.
Sorry tt I strongly disagree with you, actually, presbyopia is what dr bates cured himself of. The bates method works very well for this strain related disorder as well. Just read dr bates work and he will clearly mention this. I don't think tt that you are familiar with dr bates' work bc it is clearly written on his writings and it is in the FAQ on seeing.com
Ace we are talking eye-ball apples and oranges. I'm 64, in my fifties I needed to have reading glasses for the first time for normal aging of the eyes. You are talking about vision problems due to mindbody tension. I totally agree that TMS can manifest itself with blurred vision or other vision problems due to stress. What the eyes see is interpreted or misinterpreted by the brain. Give yourself a few more years and you'll see what I'm talking about. I don't know how old Balto is but if his issue is not being able to read the fine print at the supermarket, then that can be solved with cheap readers. That's what he complained about in his recent post.
Yes tt, it is strain related. Just read the websites that I posted and see that many people including dr bates himself have cured themselves of presbyopia. There are theories that are wrong for the reason it happens which they say is bc of inflexibility of he lens but if you read dr bates' work you'll see why this is not true. It is like seeing changes on the spine related to old age and then attributing that as the cause of chronic back pain. It is the same concept exactly. Imagine you gave me the link on Wikipedia on chronic back pain, I doubt it would tell us the truth, i dont see any difference with the wikipedia link you sent above. I am going to tell you that preventing a tension related disorder is much easier than reversing one. So if you did attempt to reverse it it may take some work and it may not be easy. Good luck to you. I do think there is a trick to "getting it".which I am still learning
I think we're beating a dead horse (or bull here) ace. The link I provided from wiki is about normal "gray hair of the eyes" that comes with aging later in life and NOT eye problems early in life due to TMS types of stress or tension. The books I have recommended are fully in accord with the Bates method, my own eye doctor is a vision behaviorist (that I seldom need to see except when I have some eye trauma like getting hit in the eye by a tennis ball).
I replied to Balto to reassure him that others like myself have difficulty reading the fine print on supermarket shelves too and not to feel personally bad about it or that he had to run out and fix something. I have looked at the site you mentioned. Maybe you should look at the books I have mentioned, by Dr. Robert Michael Kaplan, that I read years ago and alleviated any fears I had about vision/Vision issues. I'm not afraid to put on some cheap readers to read a label, that they will somehow do some irreparable damage. I could force my focus to squint and read the tiny print but it's just not that important to me, it's quicker to dig out the Costco readers. I think we're on different pages here ace, a discussion board is not always the best form of communicating--maybe the worst. Feel free to email me through the forum's instant messaging and I'll give you my phone number and I can share with you better what I'm saying in regards to vision/Vision.
Oh by the way squinting to see is the worst thing to do when trying to correct your vision and wearing glasses just prevents the ability to reverse the problem.
Also one more point the original source - dr bates work -is all I need to see if this is a curable condition. I would not go to a secondary source to find my answers. It ok if you don't believe me but if you go to the original source you will see what I'm talking about.
TT, I think Ace1 mean to say that poor eye sight due to aging can be reverse using Dr Bates's method. Many poor eye sights are due to eye strain and not due to aging as we thought.
My thought is the book is free and many people have improved they visions using it so I'm going to give it a try. I'm 48 now and have been using Costco's reading glasses for the past 8 years. My sister is an eye doctor and she confirm to me that Dr Bates' method does work for many, the problem is most people give up too soon and like you said, it is quicker and it doesn't cost much to help out Costco.
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I have been married 3 times. What has this to do with vision therapy? All 3 of my husbands spent hours, weeks, months trying to heal their eyesight with the Bates bethod. I didn't suggest it. I just pick 'em. It didn't work.
However, I do believe it DOES work, and for myself, I'm with TT here - I want to pick my battles. Presbyopia - maybe next life I'll fix it. But this double vision that has been a major problem since my life stresses multiplied, now THAT is worth some of my time and effort.
Thank you very much for the web site link. My sight is just now starting to get bad. I've never not been able to read a book and it's quite frustrating. If I can reverse it now, I'll be very grateful. Wearing glasses is not something I want to have to do.
Ok now I'm confused. So when is a symptom like pain or in this case poor eyesight deemed to be tms & when is it deemed to be part of growing old or real degeneration. In other words how does one know this pain or symptom is tms & this one is not.
Yes poor eyesight in children is always TMS unless the child was born with some structural defect. Even in that case there is a guy by the name of Meir schneider who was born blind and now using the bates method supposedly has an unrestricted California drivers licencse. I don't think he is 20/20 yet but maybe somthing like 20/40.
i would also reccomend a book " Take Off Your Glasses and See" by Jacob Liberman, i was able to reduce the time spent wearing glasses by 80%. I just bought a used copy, as I have given several away.
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