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| mala |
Posted - 09/12/2014 : 02:32:56
Hi everyone, I haven't posted here for a while as I have been thru a lot. My 2 main issues were back/neck pain & another pain that I had deep in my pelvis with pain upon urinating.
It is very easy to sometimes lump every kind of pain as ' TMS' pain but you have to be very careful.
My pelvis pain turned out to be 13 fibroids of varying sizes. The main 'fibroid from hell' as the dr called it was the size of an orange & was a 'broad ligament impacted fibroid' which means it was growing deep in my pelvic cavity & had attached itself onto the walls of my colon, bladder & pelvis. 'No wonder' the dr said 'u were having such pain'. I suffered 2 yrs from something that should have been surgically removed long ago. The surgery was hard ( The most excruciating post op pain ever) but the lesson that I learned is that not everything is TMS is one that I want to share with everyone especially women. please please go to yr doctor & have yrself thoroughly tested.
However I did discover something else. When I came out of the op theatre & was in the recovery room my surgeon did say something that I thought I should share . He told me the op went fine , that the situation inside was horrific & that my abdominals were very strong. He asked me what I did -I said nothing much, walking & some basic Yoga & he said 'well continue what u r doing coz its working.'
Now that did surprise me. After years of being told by various physios, trainers etc that my abs were 'really weak' I had really begun to believe what they said. Its the norm to be told that yr muscles r weak ( a big nocebo) if u have pain but if u think about it, u r still using yr muscles all day long so really they shouldn't be weak & that's a point I remember Dr Sarno making in one of his books.
So yes many conditions may be TMS but not everything is. Do rule out anything serious & deal with it asap.
Mala
"It is more important to know what sort of person has a disease than to know
what sort of disease a person has." ~ Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)
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| alexis |
Posted - 09/18/2014 : 07:26:44
Mala, I'm so glad your treatment went well. I have an in-law who waited to long to have fibroids removed and lost both her uterus and one ovary (due to a surgical complication). Her personality is the exact opposite of a normal TMSer...stuff just happens. Thank you for sharing your story...It is valuable if it will warns even one person into taking action. |
| alix |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 14:12:33
Ha! Next you will describe me as some guy in lederhose yodeling on the mountain popping some Ricola?
We discussed our connection before. L'Shana Tova Tom. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 13:45:09
End of conversation, I declare you the WEINER! Have a DoppleSpaten on yu. I've gotten all I want to out of this keyboarding exercise on you--thanks A! Whatever you say Dr. Freudkinstein.
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford:
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
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| alix |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 13:20:31
Oh Tom, you think by screaming at me it is liberating. But the fact is that you are repressing your emotions like crazy. Your reservoir of rage is growing by the minute. You don't even realize it.
See, it is interesting. I reread what we both posted. We both have our defense mechanisms. You get (very) angry and I have a tendency to become snobbish under pressure. Pretty revealing for both of us in fact.
It is way less psycho-babbl-ish then "re-reading Nicole's book to let the TMS concept sink in the subconscious at the cellular level". |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 11:50:30
quote:
Originally posted by alix
You are the one screaming at everybody that confronts you. Are you that insecure?
Me "screaminng at everyone"--YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!! Me thinks thou hath lost all objectivity due to your obvious enmity towards me. If carefully back-track the chronology of this thread, we will see that it was the OP who escalated the vitriol and lowered the bar of the dialogue, with her bomblets of "IGNORANT", "ARROGRANT" and "DRIVEL". I think you must agree that rejoinders like that are intemperate verbiage and NOT conducive to a friendly or scientific discourse. I will give you a pass on that since maybe you are sleep deprived from the stress/tension of all this. But, I really can't take you seriously accusing me of starting the vocabularic downward spiral. You have lost your objectivity--unless you are Mr. Mala--WOW! then I can see where you may be coming from--marriage makes strange bed-fellows.
Regarding, "It being all about me!", what's wrong with that? I advise you to READ my friend's SteveO and Nicole Saks's great TMS books and you will learn that they advocate that TMS healing firstly needs to be "all about me/or you" to overcome the TMS GOODIST personality. You have to live your life doing GOOD because YOU want to, not due to cultural/societal memes pressuring you to. Like it says in the Good Book: "IF I AM NOT FOR ME, WHO WILL BE?" You can't make others happy until you can make yourself happy.
I suggest you read their great TMS tomes, or re-read them, because you missed that key fundamental to healing. Our TMS gremlins play an interesting mind**** causing us to sub-c'ly gloss over and miss the TMS info we need the most in an attempt to further protect us. TMS/psychosomtic dis-ease acts in strange and mysterious ways, it's best not to look at it from an engineer's perspective--maybe more from a comedian's point of view.
Oy vey! mon petit chou, all this psycho-babbling is giving me a stress fracture of the brain. I need a shot of Amer Picon to balance out my caffeine and Pillsbury Pastry Strudel--don't you think that blond little Swiss boy in the commercials is darling, my gf thinks so.
A, in what general proximity are you located? Unless you traveled a long way, I'd be guessing Hollyweird, since you saw Schechter and beloved now departed Don Dubin.
A bientot,
tt/lsmft
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| alix |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 10:01:08
Don't take life so seriously?
You are the one screaming at everybody that confronts you. Are you that insecure?
So you then disagree with Monte, Dave, SteveO that there is a time for gathering information and that you should then just stop at some point because it can play into the TMS distraction strategy.
I would like to debate ideas with you. Honestly. This is what interests me. I do not care very much that you give your time to others so generously. But you keep bringing the discussion back to yourself.
ps: magistrally and magisterially are both correct. But yes, I am more comfortable in German or French. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 09:48:45
quote:
Originally posted by alix
...Straw man argument TT.
..You have advised people to leave the forum for much smaller transgressions.
...(that I read, and that you have apparently not finished).
...They all say the same: Learn and then put away that material.
...You always keep going back to reading, going to see a doctor, doing doing doing. There is absolutely no place for working on your emotions in what you are recommending.
...You demonstrated magistrally in a previous post that you are out of touch with your own emotions.
Wow! You are very hung up on me, I'm flattered, but trust me I'm not worth it. Sorry, I didn't go to Harvard, what's a "straw man argument"
Putting away the materials is fine...if, you learned it, but if it's TMS, and you still have it, and want to get rid of it, keep reading, see a TMS doc, and see a TMS shrink. OR, give Alix a call and he will be happy to talk-therapy you through it--wouldn't you Alix? You don't have to give out your phone number as I have done here, you can do it through private messaging.
I've NEVER advised people to leave the forum, show me the quote, that's absurd, who would I have fun with. I think you may be delusional or staying up to late keyboarding at internet message boards--SHOW ME THE QUOTE!!!
BTW, I did finish SteveO's great TMS tome "THE GREAT PAIN DECEPTION", I'm slow but I'm thorough. And, I'm proud to call him a friend, along with others in the TMS world, they don't seem to have a problem with me as you do.
Magisterailly--there you go using those big words again, that apparently neither one of us can spell right--I didn't go to Oxford either--let me close this epistle by saying to you Alix, don't take life so seriously, I don't and don't you believe everything I say--I don't it could make you crazy. It's only a cathode ray tube, it's not real life.
Good Morning!
tt/lsmft |
| alix |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 09:06:27
Straw man argument TT. It is not what I meant about Ace's views. Ace does not believe in the subconscious and does not believe in the protection mechanism that are central to Sarno's thesis.
That is not very Sarno-ish and I am surprised it does not make your blood boil. This is as far as Sarno as you can possibly get. You have advised people to leave the forum for much smaller transgressions.
Regarding the distraction of reading book after book, it is not my idea. It is what Monte Hueftle says in every one of his newsletters. Dave mentions it too. Your friend SteveO says exactly the same in his book (that I read, and that you have apparently not finished). Hillbilly said it too. They all say the same: Learn and then put away that material.
There is no proof that reading one more book or watching one more video is going to sink in your subconscious at the cellular level.
You always keep going back to reading, going to see a doctor, doing doing doing. There is absolutely no place for working on your emotions in what you are recommending.
You demonstrated magistrally in a previous post that you are out of touch with your own emotions. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 07:02:53
quote:
Originally posted by alix
...I see Ace's view of TMS as pretty restrictive.
...His recommendation is to just slow down.
...I just think that Sarno's "think psychological" is subject to widely conflicting interpretation.
...I also got stuck on the quest to find the perfect book or video.
I find Ace's view to be expansive, including most anything being a TMS symptom, as Dr. Sarno has said, "big or small". It's a tautological argument, like which came first the chicken or the egg.
I interpret Ace1's argument to "slow down" to be the equivalent of being in the "NOW". This can be difficult if the surrounding environment, other wise know as the WORLD, won't cooperate.
After a certain while, you've read enough, seen enough and heard enough TMS materials to internalize the TMS KNOWLEDGE, no longer needing to quote verbatim, knowing it from rote. I have a number of TMS books that I've bought that I may never get to buying them as a courtesy to their creators, for having spilled their guts to write them.
When I read the Dr. Sarno interview :http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/478852 it refreshed my memory of the simplicity of his TMS theory. If one reads that interview it may be enough for it to click if the "student is ready". Or the "student" may never be ready if the vicissitudes of their life are such that they will need the PROTECTION of TMS symptoms forever.
Reading a TMS book doesn't mean you aren't "cured", although being cured is not a very good term. You may successfully overcome a symptom but down the road another one might emerge due to life's circumstances combined with the HUMAN CONDITION.
It's like reading the Bible, people read a portion of the day and when finished, start over. As they age experiencing life, they see the words in a new light, taking on greater and new meanings. Personally, I feel reading any one of Dr. Sarno's books is sufficient to comprehend the theory. I'll buy used cheap copies of his first book "MIND OVER BACK PAIN", to hand out to people since it's so short and sweet.
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| alix |
Posted - 09/16/2014 : 00:02:34
TT, I see Ace's view of TMS as pretty restrictive. His recommendation is to just slow down. He does not believe in the Sarno protection mechanism/intelligent pain strategy which I totally believe in.
I am much closer to Sarno than Ace. I just think that Sarno's "think psychological" is subject to widely conflicting interpretation.
I got stuck on that. It is Monte Hueftle, Abigail Steidley, and several others that showed me how to get passed that obstacle.
I also got stuck on the quest to find the perfect book or video. Tom, I am surprised that you do not see that as a pitfall. It is pretty evident.
And to answer your question, I do not have the slightest qualification in TMS theory. I am a graduate of ETH Zürich in Engineering.
Good night Tom. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 23:24:45
quote:
Originally posted by alix
Why is Ace's comment so important in comparison to our exchange? Is it because he is a doctor?
I don't know why Mala got offended. I personally find Ace's post quite patronizing but it is just my opinion.
http://www.creducation.org/resources/anger_management/anger__a_secondary_emotion.html
Anger is often called a secondary emotion because we tend to resort to anger in order to protect ourselves from or cover up other vulnerable feelings. A primary feeling is what is felt immediately before we feel anger. We almost always feel something else first before we get angry.
We might first feel afraid, attacked, offended, disrespected, forced, trapped, or pressured. If any of these feelings are intense enough, we think of the emotion as anger.
Ace's comments are important because they are TMS knowledge on the deepest level. And they are what the OP misunderstood and was offended by. If you don't think anger is an emotion then you should re-read your Sarno, TMS is all about REPRESSED ANGER. I don't have any problem with expressing my anger when it's appropriate. If someone dumps on me, I'm dumping back on them. You found Ace's post patronizing, I found it informative, to each his own. He's a physician who deals with TMS professionally all day long. I will take his info over yours, since I have no idea what you do. You said I talk about myself all the time, well you don't reveal anything about yourself and I'm supposed to believe you--why? Where's your credentials? I only regurgetate what I've read in the Good Doctor's books, and that's what this forum is about. If you don't believe in Dr. Sarno's theory write your own book, it's easy to be a critic.
Here's a great interview with Dr. Sarno, it's very simple to understand and explains his theory without a bunch of psycho-babble mumbo-jumbo. He explains why it's good to read the books and gives some great stats on TMS:
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/478852 |
| alix |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 21:40:32
Why is Ace's comment so important in comparison to our exchange? Is it because he is a doctor?
I don't know why Mala got offended. I personally find Ace's post quite patronizing but it is just my opinion.
http://www.creducation.org/resources/anger_management/anger__a_secondary_emotion.html
Anger is often called a secondary emotion because we tend to resort to anger in order to protect ourselves from or cover up other vulnerable feelings. A primary feeling is what is felt immediately before we feel anger. We almost always feel something else first before we get angry.
We might first feel afraid, attacked, offended, disrespected, forced, trapped, or pressured. If any of these feelings are intense enough, we think of the emotion as anger. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 19:58:53
A, as an interlude between our internet pissing match, I'll bring Ace1's comments back to the top. It's much more important then anything you or I have to say. Please give me your comments on what he had to say and why it made mala so "defensive" since anger is NOT an emotion--you learn something new everyday, thanks!
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Hi I must comment on this so one can understand the concepts of tms. The first point mala, is why did you specifically develop such bad fibroids in the first place? This is the basic question. I believe that illness in general is related to the tms concept. This does not mean that someone should not have medical attention to help temporize the person until they are able to make bigger strides in their self improvement. I believe that real physical changes which are a result of chronic strain and even injury do start to take on the patterns of tms causing more symptoms when someone is strained then when they are not. I believe based on personal experience that if one is able to not do anything about the symptom but work more on the strain and conditioning, then that problem starts to heal. I do believe that there will be people that will work on this and fail. This is not to discourage but is based on the reality of the matter. Just because one fails in one own treatment of tms does not disprove that the original condition was indeed caused by tms. I failed for a long time until I started to get it right through trial and error and it is an extremely slow process. I wish you mala continued success and good health for the future."
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| alix |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 17:42:36
TT. You are the one that asked me why I think you are stuck. So I replied. Don't be offended by my response.
Anger is not an emotion BTW. Anger is an idea of an emotion or a label if you want. It is called a secondary emotion. It is a protection mechanism and you are still repressing like crazy your emotions by being angry.
Emotions are a physical sensation in the body, TT. I think you may benefit from a bit more digging into the emotional side of TMS because I truly think you do not get it. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 17:23:12
Alix, this is becoming a broken record, I keep having to write the samr ansers to you--you are projecting, you know absolutely nothing about me--I'm not wasting my time anymore I have a life.
What's wrong with displaying ANGERRR??? It's an emotion, are you stuck on that one? You didn't call out Mala for displaying anger did you, it's OK for her but not for me huh? She's the one who changed the tone of the dialogue with nice anger riddled words like "IGNORANT" and "ARROGANT" and "DRIVEL"--how 'bout her anger, huh? And this was in reply to a TMS physician who take valuable time out of his busy day to formulate a thoughtful reply.
So, A how 'bout her anger? Or, have you chosen sides? |
| andy64tms |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 17:14:07
Has anybody stood beside a field of sheep? You have to stand patiently still and they will all come across the field to check you out for they are curious creatures.
Once one of them bleats they all chorus in baa, baa. Pretty soon there is quite a racket going on, as the more pushy ones at the front get louder and louder, baa baa.
Now there is one sheep at the back (that’s me) who has a voice, but doesn’t quite know what to say. So he decides to eat some of the lush pasture that would otherwise be taken by the pushy sheep. He realizes how lucky he is to be eating and not bleating.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
| alix |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 15:48:11
TT, the physician we both consulted is a sports doctor.
You say that you are interested in the latest TMS development yet when some of us deviate from the holy dogma you say that we are "complicating things".
Why do I think you are stuck? Because of your bursts of anger. Because you make everything about yourself. Because you rarely mention the "think psychological" part of Sarno. Also the fact that when you advise people, you always revert to tangible things like reading Nicole's book or visiting a TMS doctor which seems to make you more comfortable than the emotional side.
You know, there is a reason why there are so many mindbody coaches. It is because people get stuck. Stuck while reading TMS books, listening to TMS audio tapes, watching TMS videos, and just distracting themselves. Ultimately, by doing that, they simply continue to repress their emotions. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 15:06:30
quote:
Originally posted by alix
It is not about you TT. It is not about me either. I have never attacked your character once on this forum.
It is about the advises you give.
I think you fail to grasp what "Think psychological" means. You are not the only one that got completely stuck with it. I got stuck too.
I got what the "think psychological" meant from other forum members and I am very grateful for it.
Going through the motions of addressing TMS is not really addressing the problem.
"Think psychological" is not about reading yet more books and flying across the world to see TMS doctors.
You said "I always strongly suggest consulting with a TMS physician, even if it means traveling great distances even to other continents."
Do you really believe that Mala would have benefited from a visit with a TMS-Doctor specialized in sports medicine?
I fully grasp what "thinking psychological" means, Mala would have definitley benefitted from consulting with a TMS physician, everyone would. Dr. Schubiner spends hours with those who travel to see him. Mala has always said she travels and I recommended to her to combine a trip with a visit to a TMS practitioner. I don't know where you got the TMS sports specialist from, I've never heard of one but if you know of one I'll do a consult with him just for grins, please let me know, I'd appreciate it. Maybe you're thinking of Dr. Sopher because he's running on the cover of his book. Sport pshysicians can benefit a non-athletic type as much as an Olympian, we all have the same number of bones, etc.
I'm not "stuck" are you? How do you jump to that conclusion with out having met me except over a TV screen? Maybe you're projecting? I'm here because I'm fascinated by the topic like many other interests I pursue. I participate on some other boards about tennis, Jeeps and race cars. I've always found the mindbody interesting and I'm here because it's valuable to keep up on the latest TMS info, you could say it's a hobby--I'm not stuck, if anything fully functional if not too functional. I do waste too much time keyboarding at message board--so I'm off to the pool and then to work, catch up with you later.
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford:
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
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| alix |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 14:45:34
It is not about you TT. It is not about me either. I have never attacked your character once on this forum.
It is about the advises you give.
I think you fail to grasp what "Think psychological" means. You are not the only one that got completely stuck with it. I got stuck too.
I got what the "think psychological" meant from other forum members and I am very grateful for it.
Going through the motions of addressing TMS is not really addressing the problem.
"Think psychological" is not about reading yet more books and flying across the world to see TMS doctors.
You said "I always strongly suggest consulting with a TMS physician, even if it means traveling great distances even to other continents."
Do you really believe that Mala would have benefited from a visit with a TMS-Doctor specialized in sports medicine? |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 09/15/2014 : 14:16:12
quote:
Originally posted by alix
quote:
I don't know how you can determine whether I have addressed my emotions, you have NEVER met me. I think you and un-named others are taking this thing WAY too seriously.
TT. I never said that it was about YOU. I am talking about your advise to OTHERS.
I am even more puzzled now. Let me ask you. Somebody has read HBP and a couple of other books. They understand TMS very well but are still in pain. Do you think that reading one more book will:
1) Act as TMS penicillin booster that sinks in the subconscious at the cellular level and will bring them closer to healing.
2) Be another distraction that will inevitably delay their recovery. While that awesome new TMS book is a wonderful page turner where they recognize themselves in every paragraph, they are still not addressing their emotions.
Do you still believe 1) is the correct answer because...?
A, everyone is DIFFERENT, some people take longer to get it, and then may get new symptoms as A PROTECTOR when the vicissitudes of life lays new **** on them.
Have you ever had a BOOSTER for polio or tetanus??? Why wouldn't the mind need one for TMS/psychosomatic dis-eases? Do you remember all of the Good Doc's fundamentals?? Can you recite the "12 Daily Reminders"??
In the end I know this is not about TMS but your unconscious irritation with me--and I am flattered. You didn't go after Mala for her intemperate remarks to Ace1, I'm not the one who lowered the tone of the dialogue here--"IGNORANT" and "ARROGANT" are not very scientific terms.
It's the old "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me," theory. If they are in TMS pain, reading another TMS book will not do any damage. If they get surgery instead--IF IT'S TMS-- there may be un-forseen complications, And if the symptom was from TMS, after the placebo effect of the surgery wears off, the symptom imperative will just lay another new pain site on them.
If they don't get TMS Dr.Sarno would recommend seeing a TMS therapist. That costs money and they are few and far between, although you can Skype them like SteveO and Nicole Saks. I've recommended that OFTEN too, if you recall. Many here just like to curl up in front of the fireplace with a good self-help book, since this is the TMS Forum reading TMS books are what is usually recommended here. Books are cheap, a shrink can go for $150 to $350 per hour. No one will get injured by reading a TMS book. They might get TMS consciously but their sub-conscious may take MUCH longer depending on their PERSONALITY and their life HISTORY--and how SMART they are--usually the "smarter" the longer.
I've discussed TMS over the phone and in person with many and that gives a better insight into their issues. Maybe you can volunteer to do the same and help them to "address their emotions", care to give out your phone number, I have.
A, if you think I give lousy TMS advice, delaying peep's recovery, PLEASE take it up with DAVE--I will be happy to give refunds to all those I've lead astray here--you get what you pay for in this life.
I'm flattered you and D jump out of the wood-work at every opportunity to call me out, now let me ask YOU a question? Do you APPROVE of Mala calling Ace1's learned advice to her as "ARROGANT" and "IGNORANT"??? I haven't seen a peep from you two about that--what say yee's???
Cheers and thanks for the good questions, that was very cathartic and I learned alot from it, now out to the courts and my new distraction, racing cars.
tt/lsmft |
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