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Jena
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 Posted - 03/07/2006 : 20:48:09
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| Out of curiousity was anyone of you at todays group meeting with Dr. Sarno in the city? I was and thought i saw a post on here from someone who went or was going. |
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rage
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Posted - 03/07/2006 : 21:04:01
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| was there it was very good you see pepole who are pain free or well on the way to being pain free by following the ways of dr sarno. i liked the format of q & a some funny moments like the guy with the ...i feel like i am in a cult ... |
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2006 : 21:22:21
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| yes that was hilarious. the most inspiring of the 3 speakers was the women because i feel she recovered 100% even though i didnt hear the first story of stephens the over all feeling i got was incredible . also with one of the women explaining about the man president of India could not believe she had met Sarno and told her how he is healed and thats across the world. Word does get around i guess. In years to come like they said in the meeting this is going to be more well known without a doubt. The cult thing was hilarious..Sarno is funny himself! WHy did we write our emails on paper do u know? Is it just so Sarno can send us stuff? Was this your first group meeting? |
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Nor
152 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 05:14:43
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Jena and Rage,
I was also there and got home thinking that I wanted to post about that woman who met a doc in India impressed by Sarno. Don't know about anyone else but I still go through doubts at times and I found last night's meeting inspiring - more than the first one I went to.
It aggravates the hell out of me that modern medicine (and therefore most of the world) does not buy into this stuff. I work in healthcare and I'm finding it increasingly difficult to deal with on a daily basis. Everyone wants a pill or surgery for a quick fix.
Another thought about the meeting, my husband and I were noting that every time we go to a Sarno meeting or group, we see lots of mature, educated-looking intelligent people. Not the types that appear easily lulled into a "cult".
I thought it was great.
Nora
PS-you wrote down your e-mail so Ken can send you the schedule for the next meeting. |
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DianeP
USA
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Posted - 03/08/2006 : 05:41:57
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| I wasn't able to get there last night. Sounds like I missed a really great experience. Anyway, did he indicate when the next 'alumni panel' is going to be held? |
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 09:36:58
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I believe the next meeting is April 18th... but once i get the email i will let you know. Yes Nor this was my first time at the meeting and it truly was great. They also said though that surgery is the billion dollar cult which is true and they also said in years to come this will be more open to people and doctors will start excepting it which i know will happen but its going to take time...
I loved the success stories and i think the people who were still experiencing pain just have to try and dig deeper but they ll get there. I missed stevens story i was late... can u maybe tell me a little more about it jsut a brief summary if possible... i know a lot of his anger came from his dad btu i didnt hear the beginning if he s completely healed like Georgia? |
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Nor
152 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 19:39:25
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Jena,
Stephen's story was classic back pain history. Herniated discs, lots of pain for 2 years, tried everything both traditional and alternative, nothing worked. Then he remembered seeing Sarno's book in B&N years earlier and sought it out. The rest is history. He didn't go too much into where his anger came from besides his father. Said he is an emotion bottler. I don't think he has any pain anymore. Maybe a little but nothing lasting or disfunctional.
What I think is hilarious is that there we were talking about how surgery is a billion dollar cult and there we were sitting in the temple of the cult. NYU Medical Center!! Wonder what the board over at NYU thinks of having Sarno on staff. They have a huge ortho and neurosurgery dept. |
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 20:14:45
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Nor,
I was thinking the same thing and the funny this is they must realize how good Sarno is because even though he is like a condradiction to the rest of the staff they would never think about firing him or what not because he has healed to many... it is hilarious to think about. Maybe one day that entire part of the hospital will be TMS this and tms that ... 86 the surgeries and pain killer medications. |
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Jim1999
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2006 : 22:25:27
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Nor & Jena,
Our own drziggles has these insights about how Dr. Sarno is viewed at NYU:
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Originally posted by drziggles
And yes, Sarno is a TOTAL pariah at NYU. He says that no one at the whole center refers patients to him, and that if he didn't already have tenure prior to his coming up with the TMS concept, he would not still be there...
It's against the rules to fire Sarno because he has tenure. The other NYU doctors don't seem to care about how many patients Sarno has helped. They hate his ideas and that's all that matters to them.
It would be great to see NYU embrace TMS treatment, but I think it will take a while...and it will take people with the courage to speak up despite the desire of the medical establishment to suppress Sarno's ideas.
Jim
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DianeP
USA
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Posted - 03/09/2006 : 04:19:11
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| Even though Dr. Sarno may be a pariah to some in the medical profession, this isn't totally the case. For examle he was listed in the June 2005 New York Magazine as one of the 19 'best' pain specialists in the metropolitan area. To get on that list a doctor has to be voted there by his peers, not patients. According to the magazine the list includes the top 2% of doctors in the area. So, it's a start!!! |
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Nor
152 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 05:08:01
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| I worked at the Rusk Institute (NYU) in the 80's and early 90's and he had already stopped referring patients to PT and OT. He gave an inservice to our dept. and most of us just thought it was kind of silly. I was very new in my profession (occupational therapy) so I just joined the bandwagon and assumed he was nuts. He was preaching treatment that was contrary to my field and as a young therapist, I was threatened so I turned the other way. Now, when I have patients that I think could've benefitted from his services years ago, I just feel sad. I don't feel threatened, I don't give a crap. (The difference between being in your 20's vs. your 40's!) I'm just so grateful for him. What a shame. Makes me so angry at the arrogance of the medical profession. |
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ssjs
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 05:53:05
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I would love to go to one of these meetings! I always joke that I am an evangelist for Dr. Sarno. I was cured in the 80's, after I went to see him, and remain fine to this day.
Can anybody go?
Where do I get in touch? Is there a mailing list? I do live in NYC.
If there is a cult, I am definetly a member!
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Nor
152 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 07:19:46
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Sandy,
The meetings are for Sarno pts and their families. Given you are a longtime success story, I'm sure you'd be welcome. He may even want you on the panel. Call his office and tell your story to Mary, his secretary. Not sure of the # off hand but its in the NYU directory. Nora |
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joemccarthy
USA
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Posted - 03/09/2006 : 15:33:49
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I wish I could get to one of those groups. I'm trying to get a group started with a doctor who studied wit Dr. Sarno in the Boston area. How is the Sarno group set up? What's the format?
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 15:59:42
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Does anyone know if every meeting it is the same 3 success story panelists? Stephen, georgia etc...
Or every meeting it is someone different? THe next one is april 18th is it going to be very different from the one we had this past week? |
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rage
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Posted - 03/09/2006 : 18:04:23
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| THE PANALISTS ARE THE SAME SOMETIMES THEY HAVE GUESTS WITH SUCSESS STORYS. I HAVE ATTENDED 4 MEETINGS I GOT ALOT OUT OF EACH ONE. ALSO JENA I THINK I NOTICED YOU COMING IN LATE YOU MISSED THE OPENING MOMENTS |
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ssjs
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 19:22:40
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I am going to look into going. I really should be on the panel, since I have nothing but success to talk about!
I will give Mary a call. |
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 19:58:32
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| Ha ha yes rage i did come late because i could not find that room! The wooden doors said DO NOT ENTER! who knew i was supposed to enter. Yes i did miss the beginning unfortunately i think i missed about half an hour =( |
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Jim1999
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2006 : 23:07:44
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Originally posted by DianeP
Even though Dr. Sarno may be a pariah to some in the medical profession, this isn't totally the case. For examle he was listed in the June 2005 New York Magazine as one of the 19 'best' pain specialists in the metropolitan area. To get on that list a doctor has to be voted there by his peers, not patients. According to the magazine the list includes the top 2% of doctors in the area. So, it's a start!!!
DianeP,
I remember a fairly recent quote by Dr. Sarno in which he said that he receives very few referrals from other doctors. That's really interesting in the light of the New York Magazine survey. I guess what we must have is a bunch of doctors who are closet Sarno fans. They secretly admire his work, so they vote for him in an anonymous survey, but they are afraid to refer patients to him. What a shame! What we need are more doctors willing to come out of the closet.
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Nor
152 Posts |
Posted - 03/10/2006 : 20:30:37
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If that's true about Sarno having closet fans, its profoundly sad. That means that these docs are referring patients to surgeons and PTs before referring to him. Should "to thine ownself be true" be part of the hippocratic oath? What I don't understand is how all his successes could be ignored - especially when PT and surgery often doesn't work.
Its a shame he doesn't have more quantitative proof of his successes. That's the only language the medical profession speaks.
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Stryder
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Posted - 03/12/2006 : 22:18:11
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Originally posted by Nor
...What I think is hilarious is that there we were talking about how surgery is a billion dollar cult and there we were sitting in the temple of the cult. NYU Medical Center!! Wonder what the board over at NYU thinks of having Sarno on staff. They have a huge ortho and neurosurgery dept.
NYU is just selling guns to both sides. Sarno may be a loss leader in terms of dollars for TMS treatment, but sooner or later you'll be back when you need to have your gall bladder removed.
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