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fs1epop
France
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 Posted - 04/29/2007 : 04:50:48
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Hi
After some serious journaling and hardcore Sarnoing I managed to get rid of the remaining 20% of my TMS in my neck and shoulder and am now totally pain free!
Or at least I was, but last Week in the gym I pushed it a bit too much and think I pulled a muscle in my arm. I went to my kickboxing class on Thursday and when I threw a punch my arm was suddenly very painful, particularly around the elbow.
I decided to totally rest it for a few days. It's a lot better now but there is still some mild pain there when I flex it and there is now some pain around the neck on the same side (very close to where I had the TMS).
My question is, how do we know when the pain is from a genuine injury and when it is from TMS? Can the body exploit musclar injuries to distract us from TMS and, if so, when should we ignore the pain and when should we push through. I remember the story about Dr Sopher and his leg pain in TDM. He pushed through and it went. I am keen to train again next week but I am not sure if I should work through the pain or not.
Do any readers have any similar experiences or advice?
Best
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 05:03:19
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With injury the pain goes away after a number of days, but with TMS the pain persists.
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 07:32:33
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Hi Fslepop,
Sometimes it is a bit difficult to discern if it is a true injury or TMS..Sometimes it can even be a combination for a time..I have truly injured myself in several areas as I am very active and work out regularly as well...If I think or know (as in the case w/ a sprained ankle and my knee falling into the curb hard last year) it is a true injury I ice it for 3 days, 20 minutes, every hour or two and then either continue w/ ice less often or alternate ice and heat..When you workout if you aren't in good form for a moment or lose concentration of course it is possible to really injure yourself..BUT..it will heal,,,the body heals and one things I LOVE about what DR. Sarno says in his video lecture series is that "WE ARE NOT THAT FRAGILE LIKE WE THINK.."
I also take advil or motrin for inflammation initially w/ a real injury...TMS can set in where a previous area was injured because the brain is 'smart' and knows this would be a convincing distraction! PS...I LOVE FRANCE! Lucky you to live there!
Good luck,
Karen |
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skizzik
USA
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Posted - 04/29/2007 : 16:41:43
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| you have to ask yourself does the pain make sense? I'ts been less than a week for your elbow, I would wait it out and treat it as a real injury for at least a month. After that, if/when it becomes chronic, then try to figure out if there was any correlation between your injury and if you repressed some emotion around the same time. |
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Lizzie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 02:55:34
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I tend to think the difference can also be in how it occurs. For instance, yesterday when I was cycling with new, rather tight cycle mitts on, my hand became very painful and is still so today. I think this must be TMS as I was not doing anything unusual except holding handlebars which I should be able to do easily. However if some part started to hurt after something very strenuous I would initially treat it as injury. I will Sarnocise my hand today and hopefully be fine.
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weatherman
USA
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Posted - 04/30/2007 : 23:08:58
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I tend to agree with what's being said here. If you can identify something specific you did to "injure" yourself, and you back off on it for a few days, it should feel better. If it doesn't, it's likely TMS (barring an identifiable tear, break etc.). If you get a pain that comes out of the blue (not including things like heart attacks), it's almost certainly TMS. That last rule has worked for me 100% of the time so far - if something hurts for no good reason, I IGNORE it.
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Shary
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 08:38:21
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| I have been plagued by a sore SI joint (left hip) for months now. Then I was sick with the flu for a few days and it went away. A week or so later, I climbed into my spouse's truck, which is too high for me to easily get into, and lo and behold, the hip problem came back. Why? Probably because I had previously hurt it climbing into this truck and I've conditioned myself to believe it would happen again--and therefore it did. I didn't do anything to injure this hip originally. It just came out of nowhere. Typical TMS. Even though I am getting pretty fed up with my mind having so much sway over my body, I'm doing my best to simply ignore the discomfort. That seems to help. |
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fs1epop
France
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 09:51:10
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Thanks for you suggestions
Actually I think it's a bit of both. There probably was some original slight tearing of the muscle (very mild, nothing serious), but now the pain has moved to another area in my arm which I find a bit suspicious. Thing is, when you are in the gym or whatever, you don't feel the pain until the next day and then it is hard to know when you've pushed it too far or when your brain has used the opportunity of a slight injury to restart with the TMS.
I guess the trick is not to worry, even if we hurt ourselves, we will get better.
tim
PS Karen, I live in the south and yes it is lovely here. Has its moments tho, like all places. |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 11:00:11
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If you don't feel pain until the next day then I highly doubt there is an acute injury. If you pull or tear a muscle it will hurt immediately at the time you do it. If it hurts the next day it could simply be the typical soreness that is to be expected following a workout as the destroyed muscle begins to heal.
Don't forget that clever TMS can mimic an acute injury as well, so even if you feel a "pop" and get immediate pain, it doesn't necessarily mean there was an injury. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 12:52:22
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Tim,
Do you mean near Nice? It's gorgeous there except there is a bit of pollution near the coast...I have a friend Pierre who lives in Nice, France...I wish I lived there..As an artist, it would be a wonderful place for me to live..SOunds like you are getting great advice on this thread! Feel better!
Dave,
Good to read something from you..Your replies always help me whether they are directed at something I wrote or not..
Shary,
I so relate to you..I have that same issue with conditioning...I 're-hurt' my neck bending over once and now i have to bend over alot to help my dog KC who is still recovering from pancreatitis...He is doing better, thank God! I am taking him to the specialist today for more blood work and praying it shows marked improvement! His appetite is coming back too...In any case,,,I keep fearing that my neck is going to start up...And it did, one night..The neuro symptoms and all...BUt as i continue reminding myself that Dr. Sarno said "WE ARE NOT THAT FRAGILE" it helps alot...I am talking to my brain and I can see it is working!
God bless,
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Difference between TMS and Injury
