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sarah430
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 Posted - 07/11/2012 : 10:07:07
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Anyone have an opinion on Monte Heuftle's Running Pain Master Practice program? I know he has posted here in the past but it doesn't look like there are any recent posts.
Dr. Sarno's Mindbody Prescription was my intro to TMS and I'm reading Steve Ozanich's Great Pain Deception currently, which I think will be very helpful to me. I also have Dr. Schubiner's Unlearn Your Pain workbook but I haven't used it yet.
Since I'm an avid runner, I was wondering if Monte's program would be more applicable to me. Especially since it seems like my pain is directly related to my running in that the pain that is most distressing to me is the kind that interferes with my running. And I'm coming to the realization that a lot of the aches and pains I attribute to running or categorize as running injuries are likely TMS.
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 10:46:12
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Originally posted by sarah430
Since I'm an avid runner, I was wondering if Monte's program would be more applicable to me. Especially since it seems like my pain is directly related to my running in that the pain that is most distressing to me is the kind that interferes with my running. And I'm coming to the realization that a lot of the aches and pains I attribute to running or categorize as running injuries are likely TMS.
Thank you.
I'm with you Sarah, not running after doing 13 marathons is my TMS?/symptom too. I believe Monte does coaching, I'm nominating you to give him a call (he has a website), talk to him and get back here with the scoop.
G'luck and in the immortal words of Walt Stack, founder of the DSE Runners, "Don't you fast guys forget, it's us slow ones in the back that make you guys look good".
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Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
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art
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 10:47:40
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HAven't read the book sarah, but if follows like the night the day, that the pain we fear the most is the pain that will persist. We scan our bodies as we run with the fear and vigilance of a soldier scanning the horizon for enemy combatants.
I'm not aware of what MOnte does, but I'm sure it's consistent with TMs self treatment as conceived by Sarno. This stuff ain't rocket science (though it's far from easy in the beginning). All you need do really, is to understand that we create our own pain, especially the pain we dread the most, and that the cure is cultivating an attitude of calm fearlessness to the very extent possible.
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lynnl
USA
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Posted - 07/11/2012 : 17:23:32
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Well, I bought Monte's package, and subsequently Ozanich's book.
And I'll have to say that I'm greatly UNDER impressed with each. Though at least the Ozanich book is reasonably priced.
I think both just largely succeed in confusing the issue (for me at least). To my mind, Dr Sarno's book, Healing Back Pain (HBP) gives the best description of the process, as well as the recipe for success. His Mindbody Prescription covers more ground, but his HBP gave me a more clear idea of what I need to do. The one complaint or comment I see most about his book(s) is "what does think psychological" mean? From what I've read so far in the Great Pain Deception, Steve Ozanich advocates that it all revolves around anger. In my own experience I found that not to be the case at all. Thinking psychological was much broader, and varied, than just trying to sort out and deal with anger issues.
I don't know just what Dr Sarno had in his own mind with his "think psychological," with no further, detailed instructions given. But I imagine in declining to give more detail, he was just recognizing that everyone is unique, with his/her own unique psyche.
Heuftle's Master Practice book is only about 115 pages (small paperback), and most of that is repetition, which he acknowledges with the claim that it's so important that it bears repeating numerous times. I just found it confusing and irritating. "...have I read this page already...?"
However, I am in total agreement with Monte Heuftle that the issue(s) are not some monumental psychological trauma at some time in the past, but rather the daily psychological issues and how we deal with them. But as for the book he sells, aside from being greatly overpriced, I think his presentations on his website are actually more effective.
I'm sure both Heuftle and Ozanich found success in dealing with their TMS, and there are probably others who have benefited from the guidance they offer. I'm just offering my own impression.
But as for running, I don't recall anything in Monte's book that isolated the focus on running-specific problems. Maybe I've just forgotten. I know he mentions his own running experiences.
Solving TMS issues always brings to mind a TV commercial for "Ancestry dot com": "You don't have to know what you're looking for, you just have to start looking."
That's what I found to be the case. It wasn't the final destination that was important, it was the experiences (mental/emotional activity) along the way that effected the "cure."
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sarah430
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Posted - 07/12/2012 : 10:16:54
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Originally posted by lynnl
But as for running, I don't recall anything in Monte's book that isolated the focus on running-specific problems. Maybe I've just forgotten. I know he mentions his own running experiences.
Solving TMS issues always brings to mind a TV commercial for "Ancestry dot com": "You don't have to know what you're looking for, you just have to start looking."
That's what I found to be the case. It wasn't the final destination that was important, it was the experiences (mental/emotional activity) along the way that effected the "cure."
Lynn
Lynn,
Thank you for adding your opinion. That is pretty much what I was looking for....whether there was something running specific in Monte's program that would be more helpful for me. His program is spendy but I would get it if I thought it really offered more for me than some of the other books/programs. For now, I think I'll finish up Steve O's book and then re-read Sarno and look at Dr. Schubiner's workbook.
Honestly, the thing that has helped me the most is this forum. When I start panicking and thinking maybe this new pain here or there is really physical, looking at this board always turns me around and gives me more confidence. So for that I thank everyone here and whomever started this forum. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2012 : 10:34:34
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Originally posted by sarah430
Honestly, the thing that has helped me the most is this forum. When I start panicking and thinking maybe this new pain here or there is really physical, looking at this board always turns me around and gives me more confidence. So for that I thank everyone here and whomever started this forum.
For anyone whose curious, here's a link to Monte's site:
http://www.runningpain.com/
The name of the erudite and intelegent gentlemen who started the TMSHelp Forum is Austin Gary. After long battles between the id's and superego's here, I think he fled to the Texas hills. Dave is kind enough to keep it going--thank you Dave! Also, happy to see that SteveO's book has been added to the forum's Bibliography.
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