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maccafan
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 Posted - 05/22/2013 : 18:50:49
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I have no direct intension of writing a book as of now and if I ever did,
Looks like I'm right. So remember you posted this and when you spend thousands of dollars of your own money (but you have lots of money cause you're doctor - you sure like to play that card)to get it published like Nicole Sachs did and then she offered it for free to the members of this forum you will too. And then DO NOT advertise it here free or not! My post has made you defensive so you have accused me of some really stupid things. And you are ignoring everything that I wrote which doesn't surprise me at all. AND once again you are being grandiose and dismissive of someone you think doesn't meet your standards or agrees with you. That's fine by me because I'll go with Dr. Sarno's teachings anyday and everyday instead of yours.
Bryan- you're not worth responding to.
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 09:58:48
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Originally posted by Ace1
...I am not aware of any advice that you have given on this forum that has helped anyone,...
Well I don't know doc, I think this post by Maccafan is pretty helpful. As I've told you before, your views betray some fundamental misunderstandings of TMS theory.
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Posted - 05/22/2013 : 13:41:39
You don’t have to be totally cured from every symptom of TMS to consider yourself a success story. The vast majority of TMs sufferers will continue to have pain or discomfort of some kind here and there throughout their lives. Their original TMS pain may even try to come back at times. The difference is and their success lies in the fact that they now have acquired Dr. Sarno’s knowledge and they know how to stop the returning or new symptoms. By having been able to stop their past pain they now have the confidence and trust in themselves to stop any future pain. Some even though they have been able to stop most of their symptoms may still have one that hasn’t stopped or completely gone away (YET). But now they have the tools to continue their work thanks to authors like Dr. Sarno, Steve O. and Nicole Sachs, to eventually succeed. Steve O. still has occasional symptoms and Dr. Sarno, himself still has ocular migraines and something else that I can’t remember right now and look what he has done for us all!
I consider myself a great success story even though I still have tinnitus, which I’m still working on and old past symptoms sometimes try to return. I’m a TMS success story because with Dr. Sarno’s knowledge I have been able to STOP these incredibly painful symptoms:
* lower back pain (no visible disc between L4 and L5)
* knee pain
* teeth and gum pain
* vulvodynia
* interstitial cystitis symptoms
* levator ani syndrome
* IBS
* frozen shoulder (both)
* feet pain
* wrist pain
* neck pain
* hiatus hernia pain
* pain from site of past breast biopsy
* hot flashes
* headaches
* dizziness
* sharp shooting pains anywhere on the skin and ears
I’m a success because whenever one of these symptoms even tries to return I now KNOW WHAT TO DO! Before Dr. Sarno I was running to this and that doctor trying to get the answers and help for my nightmare of pain and NEVER finding any. And this costs me way more than any $30.
I think Dr. Stracks intention is TMS education and getting the word out to those who may not have any TMS knowledge yet. And to provide examples of some who have been successful with the knowledge. I want to see and hear (not just read ) what the panel members say about their own experiences with TMS. I don’t think Dr. Stracks is trying to get rich and retire off his webinar. Pspa 123 is right about Dr. Stracks.
Ace, I don’t care if you think I’m a success story, healed, cured or not. Most posters here are not what you consider totally “healed”. But they are still on this forum seeking help and TRYING TO HELP OTHERS and deserve to be listened to. That’s what this forum is all about. Whether someone is letting the forum know about a true TMS book (and what it costs), a true TMS Webinar (and what it costs) or a free TMS web chat, it’s all good.
Also, Ace I’ve noticed that you have been negative towards Nicole Sachs at times but not as horribly as Bryan. And I’ve wondered if that is because you are thinking of or are writing a book yourself about “strains or whatever” and will want to advertise it here on this forum. And I wonder if you think because you’ve done time spreading your opinions here that it would be different for (you) to do this? NOPE, it wouldn’t be. And if this does happen, I’ll let you know now that I will be as nice and fair to you as Bryan has been to Nicole Sachs and others. Just Sayin’.
MACCAFAN
Edited by - maccafan on 05/22/2013 16:44:06
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alix
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2013 : 11:00:28
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tennis tom,
I don't understand why strict Sarno orthodoxy is so important to you. We perfectly understand Sarno (It is really not very complex). I am sure that Ace did not misunderstand Sarno. He got stuck like many of us.
It is extremely helpful to be exposed via this forum to other avenues. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 13:28:24
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Originally posted by alix
tennis tom,
I don't understand why strict Sarno orthodoxy is so important to you. We perfectly understand Sarno (It is really not very complex). I am sure that Ace did not misunderstand Sarno. He got stuck like many of us.
It is extremely helpful to be exposed via this forum to other avenues.
Alix,
It's NOT important to me at all--it's important to you'll--I get it! I see so many who post here, especially those who are regulars, continually looking for help, who's "cures" are stalled because they did NOT fully understand the Good Doctor's theory. If they would understand the "fundamentals" of TMS they would be well on their way to leading happier, more fulfilling dynamic lives. Until you understand the basics, one shouldn't be off trying to be creative coming up with their own theories.
I've seen many people I've helped here to stay on the TMS track, get well and move on, never heard from again. This site is called the "TMSHelpForum", it is dedicated to understanding TMS as written about in Dr. Sarno's books. If you have a fundamental difference with the Good Doctor, I recommend going to a site that is more in keeping with the healing theories of whoever you are most intellectually aligned with and resonates better for you. To continually malign Dr. Sarno's philosophy does not help those who need the necessary belief to make the leap of faith. Or start your own site and dedicate it to whoever floats one's boat, Claire Weekes, Lowe, or Ben-Gay.
We've had two examples of TMS authors, Steven Ozanich and Nicole Sachs, who learned their info directly from the source, Dr. Sarno. They are continuously scuriously vilified and attacked here for having the temerity to announce a book about TMS! That's just plain weird to me and I would think to any other rational person--but maybe this site is part of an alternative universe, ruled by the subconscious primitive mind. This site is essentially un-moderated so anything goes and anyone can say any fool thing they want to. It seems to have recently morphed into the ANTI-TMS site and is getting toxic. |
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bryan3000
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2013 : 13:36:05
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Great point about Ace, Alix.
Most PPD therapists who evolved from Sarno's theories are using varying methodology.
The human mind is far too complex to assume that every single person's physical ills are a result of bottled rage.
If you look through the success stories, which is always my litmus test... almost everyone took parts of Sarno's theories and went off in their own direction. The notion that we need to follow one book like it's a wellness-bible isn't a wise one, imo. Plenty of proof around here to play that out. Sarno opened a lot of minds with his work, but but he's just one piece in the M/B puzzle for most people.
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 14:00:42
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tennis tom,
While you keep mentioning Steve and Nicole as victims, you fail to mention Dr.Alexander that is totally in line with Sarno but expands on the theory and offers extra tools. Dr.Alexander has not been vilified by anybody and every one of his posts has been welcomed warmly by the community.
Why do you think that is?
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 14:01:46
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Originally posted by NicoleSachsLCSW
Hello lovely TMS Forum folks!
My name is Nicole, and perhaps you've heard a bit of my story. I'm here today because after an insanely busy and difficult time, it seems I have a moment to sit down and write. From time to time I am able to read people's concerns here, and on related sites.
I am an alumnus of Dr. Sarno's, and a speaker on his panels in NYC for years before his retirement. I struggle to convey the depths of my belief in TMS, as each of your posts are SO VALID, and still all I want to do is beg you to believe that TMS is as real as your reflection in the mirror. Without this certainty, it is nearly impossible to heal fully.
Let me tell you why: (and I will skip my WHOLE story, as many know it and it is written in full in my book, so I could never do it justice on a post.) I can tell you, however, my story TODAY. My story is that my death sentence was lifted the day I embraced TMS fully and healed with Dr. Sarno 10 years ago, but as I am human and flawed like you, I still must work hard daily to combat the reality of this phenomena. I may be healed, but my body still is a little pain in the ass, and bugs me with pain when I am too stubborn to look at my issues and my truth.
Don't get me wrong - I no longer fear that something is physically wrong with me. I'm just a stubborn Taurus and sometimes I just don't feel like slowing my own pace to look at my truths in the face (which I KNOW to be the only road to enduring healing.) The curse of my life is that I can't even pretend to go to a pain management Dr. or do the research on why I am hurting. I know TMS is real, as I've lived through a transformative life experience which leaves no question. It is the purist definition of "real" I've ever felt, but that doesn't mean I don't fight with it! I say, "I'll deal with you tomorrow! Leave me alone!!!"
It says, "Fine. No worries. You'll just hurt til then!"
UGH!!! TMS I HATE YOU!!!
Yet, i appreciate you, because my life is my own. I am not afraid. And largely, I am pain free. When my pain comes, it comes in a predictable pattern (as I've already let it know that it can't trick me anymore,) and I look at it like an old frememy who drives me nuts but I love too much to cut off. We argue. I say, "Leave me alone! Can't you see that I just want to have a nice afternoon with my mom!!!" It says, "You know you're not dealing with the way you FEEL about your mom." I say, "F You." It says, "No worries, I'll just keep you in pain." And so on. We like to do this dance...
Then eventually, I've had enough. I turn to my journal, or my therapist, or my own quiet thoughts as I lay in bed. I excavate my truth as I've learned to do. I am unafraid (I can teach you how to do this for yourself as well as I do it,) and then my brain relents. "Ok, you've got me." It says. I say, "I know. I just wasn't ready 'til now."
And so it goes, until our next battle.
I'm sure that this won't make perfect sense to some people, but my message is this: If you can bring yourself to embrace what I'm saying, and cultivate the bravery to seek your deepest truth without fear or apology (no one needs to hear but you,) I PROMISE you, you can heal. No, really. I actually promise. I've been doing this for over 10 years and I watch it all the time in my body. I know it works. Your body will be your proof.
Two things that can explain this further:
1) I wrote a book, and it's not perfect or the best TMS book out there, but it's honest and raw, and for you. It's called The Meaning of Truth. You can get it on Amazon or iTunes or B&N or Lulu.
2) Stephanie Browner (my dear friend and my former Sarno Alumni pal) and I are donating our time to Dr. John Stracks of Northwestern University and the Northwestern Integrative MindBody Medicine Program to recreate an Alumni Panel for people who would like to experience it virtually on May 30th from 6-8pm, Eastern. The flyer link is below. Maybe you would like to check it out. I'm not sure if there is a price for simply calling in, but Dr. Stracks' office can let you know. I'm not receiving any compensation, so I can't be sure of the money thing. I just want every person interested to have the info.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/19KwHywHJNrWS2hivkroAvwQaYItp6wBxvc8DC_b2zusFnu0CApifa13c3M2Q/edit?usp=sharing
I offer every person reading this my most heartfelt support. I know how hard this is, and how much you hurt.
Much love,
Nicole J. Sachs, LCSW
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2013 : 14:15:39
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Originally posted by alix
tennis tom,
While you keep mentioning Steve and Nicole as victims, you fail to mention Dr.Alexander that is totally in line with Sarno but expands on the theory and offers extra tools. Dr.Alexander has not been vilified by anybody and every one of his posts has been welcomed warmly by the community.
Why do you think that is?
Alix, it's a mystery, you tell me. The members of the "community" who have done the vilifying can be counted on one hand, maybe only two have castigated them as "salesmen", "peddlers", "profiteers", "advertisers", and continue to hector Nicole. I think it's just due to their extreme views on economics. Other then that microcosmic minority, SteveO and Nicole have been warmly welcomed here after that bizarre initial opening episode--but if the human mind was rational there wouldn't be any reason for this site.
Cheers,
tt/lsmft |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 16:19:20
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Originally posted by alix
tennis tom,
While you keep mentioning Steve and Nicole as victims, you fail to mention Dr.Alexander that is totally in line with Sarno but expands on the theory and offers extra tools. Dr.Alexander has not been vilified by anybody and every one of his posts has been welcomed warmly by the community.
Why do you think that is?
Don't forget Dr. Z, along with dozens of regular posters who have taken a leadership role here... offering their time, advice and words of wisdom while asking nothing in return.
People like Balto, HIllbilly, Ace, Art and a host of others who have made healing people their priority.
There are scores of great, charitable people from all walks to celebrate, here. I'm nearing total healing partially because of help I received from a member of this site... one who refused anything in return. You can find stories like mine all over this place.
We're all free to believe what we want, and post our opinions as we see fit. That's what makes forums like this so helpful to people.
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 16:29:15
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Originally posted by maccafan
You don’t have to be totally cured from every symptom of TMS to consider yourself a success story. The vast majority of TMs sufferers will continue to have pain or discomfort of some kind here and there throughout their lives. Their original TMS pain may even try to come back at times. The difference is and their success lies in the fact that they now have acquired Dr. Sarno’s knowledge and they know how to stop the returning or new symptoms. By having been able to stop their past pain they now have the confidence and trust in themselves to stop any future pain. Some even though they have been able to stop most of their symptoms may still have one that hasn’t stopped or completely gone away (YET). But now they have the tools to continue their work thanks to authors like Dr. Sarno, Steve O. and Nicole Sachs, to eventually succeed. Steve O. still has occasional symptoms and Dr. Sarno, himself still has ocular migraines and something else that I can’t remember right now and look what he has done for us all!
I consider myself a great success story even though I still have tinnitus, which I’m still working on and old past symptoms sometimes try to return. I’m a TMS success story because with Dr. Sarno’s knowledge I have been able to STOP these incredibly painful symptoms:
* lower back pain (no visible disc between L4 and L5)
* knee pain
* teeth and gum pain
* vulvodynia
* interstitial cystitis symptoms
* levator ani syndrome
* IBS
* frozen shoulder (both)
* feet pain
* wrist pain
* neck pain
* hiatus hernia pain
* pain from site of past breast biopsy
* hot flashes
* headaches
* dizziness
* sharp shooting pains anywhere on the skin and ears
I’m a success because whenever one of these symptoms even tries to return I now KNOW WHAT TO DO! Before Dr. Sarno I was running to this and that doctor trying to get the answers and help for my nightmare of pain and NEVER finding any. And this costs me way more than any $30.
I think Dr. Stracks intention is TMS education and getting the word out to those who may not have any TMS knowledge yet. And to provide examples of some who have been successful with the knowledge. I want to see and hear (not just read ) what the panel members say about their own experiences with TMS. I don’t think Dr. Stracks is trying to get rich and retire off his webinar. Pspa 123 is right about Dr. Stracks.
Ace, I don’t care if you think I’m a success story, healed, cured or not. Most posters here are not what you consider totally “healed”. But they are still on this forum seeking help and TRYING TO HELP OTHERS and deserve to be listened to. That’s what this forum is all about. Whether someone is letting the forum know about a true TMS book (and what it costs), a true TMS Webinar (and what it costs) or a free TMS web chat, it’s all good.
Also, Ace I’ve noticed that you have been negative towards Nicole Sachs at times but not as horribly as Bryan. And I’ve wondered if that is because you are thinking of or are writing a book yourself about “strains or whatever” and will want to advertise it here on this forum. And I wonder if you think because you’ve done time spreading your opinions here that it would be different for (you) to do this? NOPE, it wouldn’t be. And if this does happen, I’ll let you know now that I will be as nice and fair to you as Bryan has been to Nicole Sachs and others. Just Sayin’.
MACCAFAN
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alix
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2013 : 16:30:04
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Of course Bryan. I was just comparing apples to apples in the sense that Dr.A has a book. It was a rhetorical question. It is obvious that the "Buy my book, just buy it now!" is not exactly the proper approach around here.
There is some fantastic material here. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 16:42:49
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posted by Nicole- 03/24/2013 : 21:14:49
Hi Sylvia,
Where are you located? Have you visited the TMS Wiki site that Forest runs? I know that TMS providers are listed there throughout the country, and perhaps the world... I think that the most important function of therapy is to make each person feel heard and comfortable. To that end, if a therapist is open minded and able to embrace the concept of TMS, you have a good chance of feeling understood.
Always happy to help if I can. Feel free to contact me through my website.
Best,
Nicole
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Originally posted by Sylvia
I need your advice. But of course what you write will guide folks for years to come.
I will be able to pay for some therapy soon. (will be finding cheaper housing)
I have had completely disabling CFS/Teeumass for 25 years, unable to work. It is time for therapy to help me get over on this and change. So far the work I do alone with teeumass has not been the full treatment.
What do I want a therapist to do?
Do I say that I want a therapist to keep me being emotionally honest, call me on every defense, and have a belief that a psychosomatic disorder is the cause of CFS? Or what do I say?
How do I interview therapists in my neck of the woods so I don't waste money and time?
Thank you.
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life.
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plum
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 17:27:50
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Well compared to what Ace, Dr.A, Balto, Monte etc... have been posting in the past, it is not exactly earth shattering.
I've seen many people I've helped here to stay on the TMS track, get well and move on, never heard from again.
Do you know for a fact they are healed? Really, as an ex mod on a "symptoms" forum, I have seen my share of people that were gung ho on Sarno and gave up.
tt, I struggled 2 years with pure orthodoxy including seeing a TMS doctor and a TMS psychologist. It is only when I pursued a different track that I finally improved. In no way do I dispute Sarno's theories. I just think that for many of us the cognitive aspect is not enough to heal.
I was just reading Abigail Steidley's fantastic free ebook. She also bases her method on Sarno but expands it. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 05/23/2013 : 17:50:37
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| I think there is a natural tendency for a person for whom something worked or who has seen it work for others to believe it will work for nearly everyone, if only applied correctly. One sees that here not only from people very close to Dr. Sarno's approach, but also from people with more behavioral/thought control approaches, if that's the right term. At the end of the day, though, we may not be dealing with a unitary phenomenon, so perhaps it's best to keep an open mind and recognize that just like the disease, the treatment may not be one size fits all. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 18:01:17
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Originally posted by alix
Well compared to what Ace, Dr.A, Balto, Monte etc... have been posting in the past, it is not exactly earth shattering.
I've seen many people I've helped here to stay on the TMS track, get well and move on, never heard from again.
Do you know for a fact they are healed? Really, as an ex mod on a "symptoms" forum, I have seen my share of people that were gung ho on Sarno and gave up.
You're right alix, I've been here who know how many years, thousands of posts, but who's counting? Probably killed a few delicate flowers, TMS malpractice. Yes I've never given out one word of sound advice or referred anyone in the right direction to a TMS doc or practitioner. I'm gonna' have Price-Waterhouse issue refunds for all my selfish filthy lucre gathering I've been guilty of here. But I'm gonna' really miss doing all the proctological palpatations to rule out real pains in the ass. I hope I never gave you or Bryan the benefit of any of my fundamentalist Sarno opinions but I bet I did. But it wasn't all for naught, I learned how to use a computer, keyboard, and how to insert a paragraph here or there.
Thanks for your many kindnesses alix,
tt/lsmft
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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gailnyc
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Posted - 05/23/2013 : 18:04:27
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Originally posted by pspa123
I think there is a natural tendency for a person for whom something worked or who has seen it work for others to believe it will work for nearly everyone, if only applied correctly. One sees that here not only from people very close to Dr. Sarno's approach, but also from people with more behavioral/thought control approaches, if that's the right term. At the end of the day, though, we may not be dealing with a unitary phenomenon, so perhaps it's best to keep an open mind and recognize that just like the disease, the treatment may not be one size fits all.
I agree with this one hundred per cent. I only wish people would be a little more self-aware and a little less dogmatic. Sometimes it's hard to see clearly through the haze of bickering here. |
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bryan3000
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Posted - 05/23/2013 : 18:10:11
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| Great post Pspa. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/23/2013 : 18:20:11
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Posted by Nicole - 02/10/2013 : 17:05:35
This is "The Journey" by Mary Oliver, my favorite poet. My dear fellow TMS'ers, these words are from me to you...
The Journey
One day you finally knew
what you had to do, and began,
though the voices around you
kept shouting
their bad advice--
though the whole house
began to tremble
and you felt the old tug
at your ankles.
"Mend my life!"
each voice cried.
But you didn't stop.
You knew what you had to do,
though the wind pried
with its stiff fingers
at the very foundations,
though their melancholy
was terrible.
It was already late
enough, and a wild night,
and the road full of fallen
branches and stones.
But little by little,
as you left their voices behind,
the stars began to burn
through the sheets of clouds,
and there was a new voice
which you slowly
recognized as your own,
that kept you company
as you strode deeper and deeper
into the world,
determined to do
the only thing you could do--
determined to save
the only life you could save.
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alix
USA
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Posted - 05/23/2013 : 19:53:04
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tt, you wrote several times that some of us over-complicate things and if we would just "get" the Sarno theory instead of looking for supplemental methods, we would be cured. I think it is really unfair.
When I came back on the forum as a lurker last fall (and still in pain looking for answers), I read your posts. While they had all the right buzzwords and jargon, I took them with a grain of salt knowing that you are not cured. I know it sounds harsh and none of it is your fault but it is how I felt. |
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