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| Whoaday |
Posted - 05/20/2010 : 14:15:06
Hello, I think this is my first post. I don't know. I have a kinda stupid question I guess but I wanted to ask anyways because I wanted to know.
I understand the whole it's psychological not physical, though it causes physical symptoms. Get that. Here is the situation. I have been doing pretty good the past few days, I always have little pains here and there I am trying to do the Fred Emir say I will not stand for the pain et cetera. Well we are at my Wife's parents house and they have a TERRIBLE bed we sleep on...it is hard and has a big wood slat between the bed and boxspring. Well, I woke up this morning with whole body soreness. I want to believe this could actually just be the bed, but because I know I am always tense I don't know what to think. A hard bed could do this right? The problem is its 411 pm and i'm still hurting all over. I have kinda been dwelling on how I hate feeling like it all day but it just feels like it never ends, I start making headway then the bed thing.
I'm sure I might be told it's not the bed but I just wanted to throw this out there. What else can I do?
Symptoms I have all time (unrelated to the bed except for currently)
Body pain
Back, neck, legs, piriformis, pelvic pain, knees (occasionally) feet, head weirdness/fuzzy head, tightness, GERD, headaches, et cetera.
I read Sarno, Fred Emir, I try to think psychologically, do relaxation tapes near every night, force myself to exercise et cetera.
Any thoughts?
Whoaday |
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| Whoaday |
Posted - 06/11/2011 : 09:42:32
Hey guys,
It's been a while! I am sure there is no new news on the pelvic pain front but I am still struggling with it...along with muscle issues, specifically in the back. I am working with a therapist now and learning to contain my thoughts. I have been doing a lot of research on neural plasticity...which is the process by which your brain can change based on your thoughts...i.e. negative thoughts = neural pathways that cause pain...positive thoughts = breaking the bond of the negative pathways and creating new positive neural pathways which fight pain or change the way we view pain. It's an ongoing struggle. Any of you still struggling with the pelvic pain have anymore thoughts.
All the research still indicated you need someone to stick their finger up your bum to rub trigger points to release tight muscles. I did that for the better part of a year and 5,000 plus dollars later I am still struggling. Any thoughts?
Whoaday |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:57:52
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Originally posted by Whoaday
...I am in on the anxiety stuff but I am on VACA i wouldnt have thought that to be so stressful but I think lots of people have these issues on vaca...
Whoaday
If you go to the link below, and click on the Holmes-Rahe test, you can find out where "VACA's" rate on the list of TMS stressors.
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| alexis |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:54:58
quote:
Originally posted by Whoaday
I am in on the anxiety stuff but I am on VACA i wouldnt have thought that to be so stressful but I think lots of people have these issues on vaca...I dont know I have tried EVERYTHING nothing seems to help cept alka seltzer
When I had "RSI" my symptoms got much worse on vaca. I realized later that it was, for a few reasons, actually more stressful than my everyday life.
My update to my above post btw crossed with your posting - I try not to make substantive changes after there's been a response but in this case just missed on timing...hope it didn't confuse. |
| Whoaday |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:48:38
Thank you Alexis and TennisTom.
Dave talked about it being ok to have some stuff to help. I have taken everything...I am one of those people that once I have the symptoms stuff i take wont get rid of it...it typically goes away on its own...I am in on the anxiety stuff but I am on VACA i wouldnt have thought that to be so stressful but I think lots of people have these issues on vaca...I dont know I have tried EVERYTHING nothing seems to help cept alka seltzer
Whoaday |
| alexis |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:36:01
quote:
Originally posted by Whoaday
I am still having symptoms of heartburn now a month now...seems the alka seltzer isn't helping as much...I have to use it at night as i wake up with the acid in my throat...I have cheated a little bit and had bits of soda here and there and some spicy stuff while having symptoms but it's never been this bad before...
do I need to just do a SUPER bland diet for a while? Until the symptoms abate?
Hi Whoaday,
While most of your symptoms seem pretty TMSy to me, acid in the throat during sleep seems to me if not "physical" at the root, at least more of a classic physical response to anxiety (as opposed to a distraction mechanism). I know there's disagreement on this, and for the record I am pretty suspicious actually of the majority of physical things considered TMS "equivalents", largely because I don't think the human brain is that "smart".
As for spicy food - for me this actually turned out to be the prime cause of my own acid problems. I was dumb enough to be eating the same super hot dish every day while taking prilosec and complaining about my bad stomach. To me the food was "normal" and it wasn't until someone else looked at me eating and said in shock "Well, *I* would have problems if I ate *that* every day!" that I looked around and realized my diet wasn't normal.
The prilosec did work beautifully, though. But, the day I removed the hot and oily food, those daily symptoms went away immediately and permenantly.
I would think getting stress and anxiety under control may help, but, like teeth grinding, this is something that can have real consequences and possibly deserves some medical attention.
Anyone thinking of the meds route (I know you've already tried this route Whoaday), keep in mind that medications like prilosec can inhibit nutrient uptake and also interfere with some medications, so know what you're doing and if possible don't make the meds your final solution.
Alexis
Btw, I know a lot of people with TMS have problems with the whole aging experience. During recovery from TMS a lot of people seem to go through a period where they want to believe aging is all in people's heads. But...I'm afraid that ability to digest certain foods does dimish with age. So it may, at least at some point, be the case you can't eat what you did at 15. |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:06:02
Whoaday, you are exactly right, I merely copied my previous post to you, because you seem to need some reminding that this is the TMS board and not your usual health board that deals with structural and physical issues. It is contrary to recovery from TMS to keep reinterating and focusing on your phyical symptoms. By now you should be looking at the emotional stuff. TMS is not for everybody. Dr. Sarno, carefully screens his patients and only selects the ones he thinks will be receptive to the TMS "knowledge penicillin" he dispenses. He does this to save people's time and money. Maybe TMS is not your path. I won't bug you anymore. Oh, what the hell, have you tried Prilosec?
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| Whoaday |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 18:45:40
TennisTom,
Thank you but I have seen you write that EXACT same thing on at least 5 or more different people's post. I have the TMS books I read them but Im going through this heartburn right now and even dave said it is ok to use some stuff. Your generic pre written statement to me wasn't that helpful, but thanks at least for re-posting...
Whoaday |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 18:30:03
quote:
Originally posted by Whoaday
I am still having symptoms of heartburn now a month now...seems the alka seltzer isn't helping as much...I have to use it at night as i wake up with the acid in my throat...I have cheated a little bit and had bits of soda here and there and some spicy stuff while having symptoms but it's never been this bad before...
do I need to just do a SUPER bland diet for a while? Until the symptoms abate?
Whoaday
You can buy or borrow a TMS book from the library and read it. I've read at least six or seven of them, some several times. Every TMS book, whether by the Good Doctor or physician's trained by him or his devotees, has a program for recovery in it.
Recovery from psychosomatic symptom dis-ease, is not like going to the ER or Walgreens. YOU have to do some emotional thinking. YOU have to understand and accept the TMS theory, then sleep on it--maybe for many nights. Their is no morphine like silver bullet I can shoot you with. It took your brain a long time to develop your responses to stress, culminating in your need for benign physical TMS (psychosomatic) symptoms for a distraction and protector.
If all the TMS resources, books, videos, DVD's, books on tape, numerous blogs, and all the thousands of posts and "Success Stories" archived at this site, don't help or don't resonate with you, then there isn't much more "I" can do for you.
Then I would recommend traveling as far as you need to, and see a TMS physician, for the white coat imprimatur. If that doesn't help, he/she will recommend a therapist versed in TMS for deeper treatment.
Good Luck!
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| Whoaday |
Posted - 07/28/2010 : 18:17:30
I am still having symptoms of heartburn now a month now...seems the alka seltzer isn't helping as much...I have to use it at night as i wake up with the acid in my throat...I have cheated a little bit and had bits of soda here and there and some spicy stuff while having symptoms but it's never been this bad before...
do I need to just do a SUPER bland diet for a while? Until the symptoms abate?
Whoaday |
| Dave |
Posted - 07/15/2010 : 11:32:31
quote:
Originally posted by Whoaday
At the core...I FEAR...FEAR is what causes me issues I think...heartburn after a few days I wonder if my esophogus is eroding...I wonder if I will have life long problems there...I am ALWAYS thinkings...ALWAYS WORRYING...ALWAYS MONITORING...I need help
You're right, the fear is the hardest part. It is a very tough cycle to break; you need to try to find a technique that works for you. When you are aware of the fear and monitoring of the symptoms, you need to stop that behavior. Just tell yourself to STOP IT and focus your thoughts on something else, such as what might be going on in your life that is affecting you negatively but you are avoiding or not fully appreciating.
If you are unable to break the cycle on your own, seeing a psychologist may help.
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| marjrc |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 17:26:33
Tennistom wrote: "Thank G-d for the gift of harmless, benign, TMS physical pain as a protection from even more painful emotional pain."
This statement had me crying when I read it. Obviously it hit me, so thank you for that, Tennistom. :)
swmr1 "My reaction is to be annoyed and vow to challenge the hell out of them. I don't know if that's too weird for you but it really works for me.
Sitting back and thinking about why all these things are happening and worrying only makes things worse for me. Going ahead with my day the way I want to (including intense physical activity) and saying "to hell with this issue" has almost always been an effective way to help me feel better. I feel in control and not like the victim of my own body. I also start paying less attention to niggling issues that I think many people have but don't pay much attention to. Shift your focus. "
Thank you too, for your insight as to what works for you. I am inspired by this thread and want to suggest to you, Whoaday, that perhaps all these pains and ailments you are having, that seem to be overwhelming you so much now, may all be happening for a reason. What that is, is up to you to find out. I used to always list my symptoms too, time and time again, as they changed, and as people asked about me. I can see now where that has lead me and am vowing to change that, to change how I think.
I am just a "Sarno beginner", so am not at all trying to impose my thoughts on anyone. I am thankful I happened on to this thread and to the support from everyone. :)
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| Whoaday |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 11:18:16
Dave,
No, I feel this way all the time...it's just at a higher level today. Always have headaches, fatigue, body hurting somewhere. Heartburn has been particularly bad, and yes I take something....everything prilosec, aciphex, tums, mylanta, pepto, gaviscon, pepcid AC, pepcid complete, omeprazole...alka-seltzer nothing really helps once I have the symptoms except the alka-seltzer...
Before anyone asks I have been looking over by the "white coat" as some call it over and over for this stuff nothing physical in their findings.
I would agree, however that conditioning has me wrapped by its little finger kind of thing. I haven't felt "well" since this thing started and I can never tell what triggers it or makes it worse.
I have a lot of stomach problems and feel bad after food a lot, but 1. that never happened till I started with the full blown anxiety/stress issues and 2. been to allergist am not allergic to anything cept trees and grass, and did celiac and other tests which came back negative.
I have IBS which I attribute for the pain but for a while I read on the internet all about how food could cause my anxiety...or this or that and nothing ever works. I have sarno books and schrubner I just have not really done any of the work because I am not sure where to start...
At the core...I FEAR...FEAR is what causes me issues I think...heartburn after a few days I wonder if my esophogus is eroding...I wonder if I will have life long problems there...I am ALWAYS thinkings...ALWAYS WORRYING...ALWAYS MONITORING...I need help
Whoaday |
| Dave |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:10:26
Do you take something for your heartburn? If not, you probably should, if it is at the point of acid reflux.
Sounds like you are still conditioned to feel "always off" which can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You need to keep working to recondition your thoughts about and reactions to the symptoms.
That said, sometimes we get sick. If you have headache and nausea, maybe you caught some kind of virus. Everything is not TMS... |
| Whoaday |
Posted - 07/12/2010 : 06:15:12
So, I am having a rough day. After my 4th night of nearly vomiting acid from heartburn...I wake this morning sore, all over my body, with a head ache, and slight nausea. Does this sound familiar to anyone...I guess we just have off days sometimes, which are worse than most people's because in some ways we are always off.
Just wondering if anyone else gets this...
Whoaday |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/10/2010 : 20:19:47
I've come up with another idea for you Whoaday. Go to the "Search" button, that's the one in the top right corner, between the "Members" and "FAQ" buttons, and search for "stretching" and "tight muscles". There will be many pages especially on stretching. It has been a topic here since the beginning of this site. All your concerns about stretching will be discussed there.
Good Luck
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/10/2010 : 15:51:03
This is the TMS site, therefore the TMS answer to tight muscles is JUST DO IT!
I have "significant arthritis" of the right hip, it may very well not be TMS. But after 20 minutes of walking my limp disapears.
I don't know anything about your medical history, so I havn't a clue if your tight muscle is due to a tumor, infection or a tear. If those things concern you, get checked out by a physician. If the white coat can't find anything wrong structuraly, than it's probably TMS.
In which case, JUST DO IT!
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| Whoaday |
Posted - 07/10/2010 : 11:40:04
Ok...understood and that's what I meant when I said you were confused...the wrong person not as in general...
I get the to cure it bad but what about before I work out...my legs are super tight
Whoaday |
| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/10/2010 : 10:37:38
Stretching to "cure" you from TMS is NOT OK and is contradictory to recovery.
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| tennis tom |
Posted - 07/10/2010 : 10:32:06
quote:
Originally posted by Whoaday
Yes I did this a while back and then you asked me what my TMS doctor friend said and I said I dont have one and you said you were confused and that was the end of it...
Am I supposed to think it for shielding me? I thought that is why I'm experiencing pain in the first place?
Whoaday
We are both replying at the same time. I am NOT confused, what I said was I confused YOU with another poster here by the name of Walnut, who said he had a TMS doc friend. I apologize for that, but this is the internet and you get what you pay for.
Yes, you should thank it for shielding you, don't you thank those who help you? Dr. Sarno, in his latest book postulates that psychosomatic pain is a "protector" rather than a "punisher" as Freud theorized.
I don't understand what you mean by your last sentence. Could you please elaborate?
Cheers
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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| Whoaday |
Posted - 07/10/2010 : 10:26:33
Ok thanks.
I do read a lot of books I have unlearn your pain just havent started it yet. Another question for anyone...is stretching ok or is that feeding into the physical...I bent (at the knees) to pick something up off the ground today and man are my legs tight around hamstrings et cetera. They always have been.
Is stretching ok...or should i ignore it?
Whoaday |
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