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MRosenthal
USA
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 Posted - 12/24/2004 : 07:26:25
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| I cannot calm down. When I get up, i have little pain and gradually I get burning and and injured feeling right in my lowest spine and butt. I can tell it is caused from anxiety. I get more anxious the more the day goes on. The pain makes me more anxious. How do you stop this cycle? |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 12/24/2004 : 09:20:10
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The symptoms tend to increase when you are in the early stages of learning about TMS. Your brain is "upping the ante" and trying hard to make you forget about the TMS theory. You are blowing its cover -- you are ruining a strategy that it has used for years. It won't give up without a fight.
Try your best to ignore the symtpoms. Tell yourself over and over that you know exactly what your brain is doing and you won't allow yourself to be obsessed with the symptoms. Fight back.
It is important to accept that it takes time for the process to work. You cannot expect the pain and anxiety to vanish overnight. You must have faith in the process. If you allow yourself to get frustrated, it will sow the seeds of doubt and set you back. |
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Albert
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 12/27/2004 : 10:50:48
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I just read John Sarno's book "Mind Over Back Pain" yesterday (twice).
So much of what it says reminds me of my own back problems. My main problem area is my lower back, I get muscle spasms and pinching pains. The pain moves around to just about anyplace in my lower back and my outer thighs. My neck and upper back also bug me at times. Sometimes my calf muscles will bug me. Sometimes my knees will bug me behind my knee caps. I get irritable bowell syndrome. At night time my arms fall asleep. I figured this is because my legs are up on pillows. Maybe I'm wrong. This morning I woke up at 3:00 with my buttocks area near my spine hurting. I wasn't able to get back to sleep. I forced myself to go to work today, despite the spasms (partly because Sarno's book suggests that activity shouldn't be avoided). In a way it seems as if I've started feeling worse since I read the book. My mind hasn't completeley accepted what it says (but I want to give it a serious try). It's been several days since I've had significant muscle spasms. Most of my recent pain has been located in the lower part of my superspinous ligament. Because of the holiday weekend, it has been several days since I've received physical therapy treatment (massage, ultrasound etc.). This might be part of the reason the spasms came back.
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Can TMS cause pain that seems to be centralized in the superspinous ligament area of the lower back (not this morning, it moved to my buttocks)?
Is there a place within the San Francisco Bay Area that has TMS treatment?
Thank you in advance, for any help you can provide. |
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polly
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Posted - 12/27/2004 : 11:05:03
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Albert,
Welcome.
You're not experiencing anything that most of us didn't when we first started dealing with this. TMS is cagey. If will fight you.
I don't know of any doctors in your area. I do know that Sarno himself tells most people that call him to just read and re-read the book and do the work he suggests there. Seeing a doctor is the knee-jerk reaction we're all been programmed to follow.
It will get better. The best thing you did was not let it stop you. You have to do things that you don't think you can or should do. Keep reminding yourself that this is not a physical problem.
Good luck. Keep posting and asking. Most of what you will be experiencing is in the archives and current. Read, read, read.
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Susie
USA
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Posted - 12/27/2004 : 11:09:07
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| Albert, Get Healing Backpain and The Mind Body Prescription. They will be the best tms treatment to begin with. Tms can cause pain and or numbness anywhere. Alot of people feel worse before they get better. Your mind is fighting your discovery. Forget about the physical therapist and read the books. Think about what is bothering you and not the pain. It just takes time to retrain yourself. It is a slow process so be patient. It sometimes takes a while to accept Sarno's theory. I bit immediately but others need more convincing. Fear and anxiety are two favorite allies of tms. Hang in there. It really works. |
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 12/27/2004 : 12:45:59
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Hi Albert,welcome.
Wow...you actually read his very first book.HBP and MBP (our abreviations) that Susie speaks of are also very important reads,as his diagnosis and observaions/instructions evolved over time.
I'm glad you found this group so soon...You'll find yourself going through the same questions/doubts and recovery that we all have.
I myself recovered reading Healing Back Pain (HBP) and had many a reservation and question.....there were no internet resources back then.
If you have any questions/doubts/fears,always post them as new topics,that way you'll probably get more responses faster...there are several of us here that have completely recovered from our back pain..I'm one of many.
once again welcome,and you're on your way to being healed!
Peace
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Albert
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 12/27/2004 : 14:03:10
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| Thank you for the responses everybody. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 12/27/2004 : 21:52:13
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| Albert, There is a TMS doctor in the SF Bay Area. His name is Dr. Parvez Fatteh. He is listed on the TMS Links on the Home Page. He has posted on the board recently and you may wish to search for his past posts. From his posts, he sounds well versed in TMS theory. |
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Albert
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 12/28/2004 : 10:21:02
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Thank you for the referral. I bought the two Sarno books people recommended and want to see how things go on my own before I contact a doctor. I won't wait too long though.
I had an interesting experience recently. After spending most of last night reading one of the Sarno books I bought, I had a good night of sleep. I did however wake up with medium intensity back spasms. I started to walk around a bit but then figured that doing so probably wouldn't help much, and instead read one of Sarno's books for while. The spasms calmed down a bit. I then took a shower-a place of fear. A place of fear because the last time my back spasmed real bad (in an excruciating manner) was when I was in the shower. It's also gone out a few other times while in the shower. I haven't soaped down my legs for over two weeks, because I was afraid of moving that much. This morning I forgot about guarding against pain and instead thought about what might be troubling me emotionally. All of a sudden I noticed that I was soaping my legs without thinking about it. It didn't hurt me to do so. I've been making a point of moving in ways I'm afraid of. Not all out yet. Babby steps first.
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Originally posted by tennis tom
Albert, There is a TMS doctor in the SF Bay Area. His name is Dr. Parvez Fatteh. He is listed on the TMS Links on the Home Page. He has posted on the board recently and you may wish to search for his past posts. From his posts, he sounds well versed in TMS theory.
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