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filipe
Portugal
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 Posted - 09/25/2015 : 01:03:45
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Hi,
I new this was going to happened. I'm having relapse.
As you know I'm having some problems in my life.
The other day, I try doin phisical exercice again. And then it hit me. What am I doing? I'm doing the same exercises that initiated my pain... I try everything, for my brain to think differentely... but I got scared.. scared to the point where I, the "master of emtoions", as I thought I had become, could handle it. I'm in a lot of pain right now. But also in great fear, namely of the pain itself. I had a burning pain all over my body... but I know it is TMS. That is why when I'm able to relax the pain goes away instantely...
At least I'm sure it is not a strutural thing. And also, I know that was fear, and it is fear that perpetuates our pain. I need to shift my mind, but it is difficult, when you are in fear... you don't think straight... your irrational thoughts emerge...
Thanks,
Support need it...
Filipe
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 09/25/2015 : 09:44:49
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The "same exercises" didn't cause the pain--they were the trigger. If you don't have anything structurally wrong (that's between you and your docs to decide) then the pain is TMS. SteveO's approach was to continue swinging his gold club (edit: that should be GOLF club, but for SteveO it probably was a GOLD club),until he couldn't do it anymore and collapsed on his car. Fear is doing it's job as a TMS distractor.
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray
"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
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filipe
Portugal
280 Posts |
Posted - 09/25/2015 : 13:05:48
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Originally posted by tennis tom
SteveO's approach was to continue swinging his gold club until he couldn't do it anymore and collapsed on his car. Fear is doing it's job as a TMS distractor.
Sorry Tom, can you explain me what happened to Steve O? Did he had a car accident. I din't understand what you mean.
Anyway, I'm stuck into the pain button. This happened to me one year ago, when I try resuming push ups. Now I cannot even type on my PC without pain... and when I do, TMS looks for other places... that is why yesterday, I felt my whole body in pain....
If you remember, what may me think I had a problema with my arms, was my work out. The fear that this was true, made me develope TMS. I never did it again. I got rid of my TMS pain. But never resume phisical activities, even light ones.Since I don't need working out to live, or doing push ups, do you think I should insist? I mean, tommorow I got another session at the gym. I'm thinking on not going.. because I'M AFFRAID. It is realy light... it's almost like Yoga....Should one face his fears? I'm affraid if I don't go that I'm doing what my brain wants, so it keeps up with the distraction..
Thanks,
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Edited by - filipe on 09/25/2015 13:10:14 |
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tennis tom
USA
4746 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2015 : 09:28:53
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SteveO challenged his pain by hitting hundreds golf balls at the driving range until he collapsed onto his car afterwards from fatigue. If you haven't read SteveO's book you should as well as Fred Amir's book who just replied to you in your previous post.
The biggest part of overcoming TMS is being vaccinated with the TMS KNOWLEDGE PENICILLIN. This is done by reading the GOOD BOOKS. Your conscious mind has to fully understand and believe in the Good Doctor's theory before it can sink into the Sub-C that is harder to convince and has a mind of it's own. |
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filipe
Portugal
280 Posts |
Posted - 09/26/2015 : 10:16:30
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tennis tom
USA
4746 Posts |
Posted - 09/27/2015 : 09:43:07
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I don't understand your question, could you please rephrase it? Have you read or ordered Fred Amir and SteveO's books?
==================================================
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
==================================================
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
“You can discover more about a person in an hour of play than in a year of conversation” – Plato
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise" - Thomas Gray
"All my friends in Los Angeles are the sensitive type. They all have like all the diseases like Chronic Fatigue, Epstien Barr, Fibromyalgia. Like all the diseases where the only symptoms seem to be you had a really crappy childhood and at the prospect of full time work ya feel kinda achy and tired."
Posted by Skizzik @ TMSHelp from comedian Maria Bamford
======================================================
"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
=================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Dr. Sarno is now retired, if you call this number you will be referred to his associate Dr. Rashbaum.
"...there are so many things little and big that are tms, I wouldn't have time to write about all of them": Told to icelikeaninja by Dr. Sarno
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
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filipe
Portugal
280 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2015 : 05:08:23
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I Read all sarno's book. I know the theroy. I already "click" several times (I had relapses in the past all due to resuming working out).
I overcome certain activities, that are much more demanding. I have been able to resume playing computer games, playing my gittar, riding my bike, playing Snooker, Tenis, typing on my keyborad, chating, etc... but I lost the ability to do all those activities again. And that is driving me crazy. It took me so much time to deconditioning them :(.
Now every activity is painful to me. The blood flow is restricted to my arms daily again. It resembles the muscle fatigue you have when you do exercice. But is in the lock position.
But I know Why Im having this relapse. Because of fear. And also because of the pressure, of not wanting to live in agony again. Anf know my wife is also sick. She is the one in need...
I'm in fear because I try again to resume the activity that brought me into TMS, which was doing phisical exercices (as you know I exagerated with dumbells, and etc).
I know my brain turned on the button that restrict blood flow to my torso, and arms. So what I was asking you Tom, is why am I on square one again... Sghould I have to overcome my fear of the only activity taht is still very frightnig to me to be completely cure form TMS? Shoud I try to deconditioning "working out ativity", at least lightly? (when I refer to working out, I'm saying, doing exercices with your arms from a book or a fitness video, warming up, push uops, etc, alone or with an instructer, and not doing the regular daily activities).
I mean I know the theory. I understand it completely and beleive in it 100%, because it is the TRUTH. But I'm suffering from Post Traumatic Stree Disorder. My pain is associated with working out your body. Even when I see someone working out, it is still distressing for me (I begin feeling symptoms). I know it is nuts, but for me, working out, it is like going to war. TMS is Post Traumatic Stress Disrder, or PTSD. I fear physucal exercices, also do to what Drs told me... becareful with your arms, your tendons, you have exagerated, don't do exercices on your own, which I did, becarefull, with your posture when doing exercices, and so on.... becarefull with your wrists, etc...
What I don't understand is why I'm back to square one. I already told my brain, I'm not working out anymore.
PLEASE HELP ME. Am I obsessing with this? Should I try loosing my fear from working out, by doing it? I want to... My wife would want it to... I would like to have larger arms...
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tennis tom
USA
4746 Posts |
Posted - 09/28/2015 : 09:01:43
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Originally posted by filipe
... I would like to have larger arms...
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2015 : 19:53:06
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hahahahahahahahahahaaa
there I go, straying from the forum for - what? - a few years, and I come back and read this:
“Filipe: I want bigger arms!
Tennis Tom: Why?
(silence)“
You just can’t write this stuff. We should have a TMS reality show, with all of us on an island with no possibility of googling symptoms.
! Thank you!!! I love you guys! What a great way to distract oneself!
I’m having some very intense symptoms, different from before, including vertigo and eye problems. I have also had a lot of stuff going on - best friend and best ex-husband both have cancer, cat seemed like she was dying (but has popped back up like the unkillable Rasputin!).
In between these rushes of symptoms I’ve been happier and freer and lighter internally than ever. In fact, I think it’s a bit of a “fight-back” from the Id, that just doesn’t want to lose its ID-entity.
Hi Tom, Filipe, all of y’all bros and sisters in the pretend symptoms club.
Ain’t you glad you know it’s pretend?
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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tennis tom
USA
4746 Posts |
Posted - 09/29/2015 : 20:59:04
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Originally posted by Wavy Soul
hahahahahahahahahahaaa
You just can’t write this stuff. We should have a TMS reality show, with all of us on an island with no possibility of googling symptoms.
Glad to be of distraction, been looking for you at the club, you been hiding in child's pose up in fitness?
I'm down below in the hot-tub reading or doing the back-stroke. I used to take my cats to the Cat Clinic on Lomita in M.V., thought they were pretty realistic, all those specialists were a waste of money.
A TMS reality show sounds good--"TMS NAKED and AFRAID", they could have shot it at Harbin Hot Springs, too bad it burned down.
Cheers,
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Wavy Soul
USA
779 Posts |
Posted - 10/01/2015 : 00:34:27
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Ah... I am invisible over there because I took an LOA because I wasn’t using the pool - but I still belong and can go back and maybe I will in winter. I will let you know and we will have tea!
It’s a real bummer about Harbin and also the surrounding area - I have friends who are completely homeless.
I have been listening again to Dr. Claire Weekes, and just thought I would remind everyone about her - I must say that listening to one tape has calmed me down and stopped me from being “nervous about my nervous illness.”
Filipe (and others), you should definitely hear or read this dear old (departed) doctor’s talks - you can google her.
Love is the answer, whatever the question |
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