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h2oskier25
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 Posted - 04/12/2007 : 08:24:25
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Thanks, Art.
Next time you are down in Venice, we MUST get together. I met a TMS Board LEGEND down here in Jan, and it was really great.
Cheers,
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art
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 10:34:01
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Beth,
We might be headed for Key West next year, but not written in stone yet...I'd love to get together if possible...I'll give you a poker lesson, you can give me a water skiing lesson!!
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h2oskier25
USA
395 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2007 : 15:44:22
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You're on Art! It's a date!
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Penny
USA
364 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2007 : 16:04:53
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Wrldtrv,
We seem to be on similar planes, Sweetie! I went thru the same rollercoaster ride as you on a MS and Lupus track, last year. They tested me for everything b/c I was convinced I had SOMETHING. I DID have something, TMS! Thank God I found this board and read all the books and at least believe.
This week has been a doozy and I'm terrified of sliding down the same deep well I fell down last year! (I've even had a few gremlins that make me think about the diseases again, but I really believe that's all they are ... just gremlins, not my personal truth.) That's why I've not gone to the doctor yet. (See my recent post on high blood pressure.) Yes, stress ... stress. stress!!!!! I had a miscarriage a couple months ago. Last year my older DD started kindergarten, and in just 3 mos my youngest will start kindergarten too, and I'm so afraid that I'll break down again like last year... AND I've been in therapy for over 6 months. This week I've had a lot going on in my work world, but I'm gonna be fine. Just posting on this board and sharing with everyone has helped my headache lessen (which means my BP is coming down!)
We can and WILL get thru this. It's not fair that we have to struggle and worry about our helath so much, but this will pass and we will be stronger and wiser for it.
Healthy hugs of support to you,
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 23:17:49
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Thanks for your kind and valuable words, Beth and Penny. I really appreciate it. Penny, I'll have to look over your old posts to read your "MS/Lupus" fears--or was that before you found the TMS board? Anyway, I would be interested in hearing about it.
One thing DR Ziggles wrote yesterday that struck me, was that I am so body-based that it distracts me from thinking psychologically. Every time I start to put two and two together to see connections between emotions and physical symptoms, another part of me says, "I don't believe it; these symptoms have GOT to mean there is something terribly wrong with me!" I am beginning to see that, really, I will probably never be free of fear unless I can trust enough to let down my guard regarding symptoms to do the psychological work.
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art
1903 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2007 : 07:03:37
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HOpe you don't mind wrld, but I sense nothing's really changed yet. You've got many of the insights, but I don't see the necessary will...
One thing that's helped me, is simply to look at this stuff as a personal challenge, in the same way I'd approach a competetive run....So the question becomes: Can I do this thing? Do I have the stuff, the inner and outer strength?
I've used that to very good effect... |
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Penny
USA
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Posted - 04/13/2007 : 07:48:06
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I try really hard not to talk about my symptoms or all the crap I went thru, as it makes me feel it in my body again. The majority of what I went thru happened before I found this wonderful place.
I think you've hit the nail on the head!!!! You have to completely ignore the Sx and press thru and tell your brain you know what it is up to! This is retraining your brain, this is not easy, but it can happen in a split decision. B/c our culture is so focused on disease process and cures, we don't often talk about the innate ability for our own bodies to undo the mess or pain that it led us to. I am of the belief that if our body learned to put us in pain, it can learn to get us out ... we are physically THAT remarkable, but we have to prove to our bodies that our conscious is smarter and more assertive than our subc.
This week I had my bp go up, really high and it was definitely TMS. Last night I had a mental purge and excepted and acknowledged a lot of the reasons I ended up back in TMS mode. I even forgave my brain for doing this to me, and see it as a valuable lesson that TMS sensitive peole may never live completely unchallenged, even after we develop the understanding of how TMS works. My BP is normal today and my headache is GONE completely!!!!!
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Originally posted by wrldtrv
Thanks for your kind and valuable words, Beth and Penny. I really appreciate it. Penny, I'll have to look over your old posts to read your "MS/Lupus" fears--or was that before you found the TMS board? Anyway, I would be interested in hearing about it.
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2007 : 22:02:26
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You're probably right, Art. I'm making some progress, but am still in the physical disease mode. As for framing this as a challenge, believe me, I'd love to do that. I'm very competitive. The trick is to have the confidence that it is indeed psychological, not physical and therefore changeable.
I had my regularly scheduled physical today. I was proud of myself for refraining from seeing docs at all for 18 months. Anyway, just to cover all bases I told the doc about my hamstring/butt problem. He checked arterial flow. Fine. Checked the computer for all the neuro tests I had done in the past. Fine. He could think of no reason why there would be a problem, but said he would be happy to send me to PT if I wanted. I declined.
At first, I felt pretty good, then, later in the day and now, my legs feel very fatigued, jello-like. A test? Maybe the brain challenging another benign physical examination.
Penny, good job on the mental purge that left you feeling better today, eg bp and headache. I tried an exercise from the Brady book this morning that brought up some emotional (anger) stuff from childhood. I was actually surprised that those things bothered me; I thought I was over them. Not so! |
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art
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 06:25:36
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quote:
You're probably right, Art. I'm making some progress, but am still in the physical disease mode. As for framing this as a challenge, believe me, I'd love to do that. I'm very competitive. The trick is to have the confidence that it is indeed psychological, not physical and therefore changeable
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But that's the challenge...If you had the confidence, it wouldn't be much of a test, would it?
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 04/14/2007 : 07:56:42
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Can Dave ban the word "pain" from this message board? Much like he bans the word F-k. I wish for the day that both words will never again be used on this board.
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Sarno-ize it!
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2007 : 23:47:48
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I'm feeling much better (mentally and physically) than last week at this time. I feel pretty much back to normal, thank God!
Got some good news today. The PSA test that I had been dreading came back. It hadn't budged at all since the last time, which was 18 months ago. It was, then and now, just a hair over the normal range. I think I'll put off the next test for at least a couple of years. |
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Curiosity18
USA
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Posted - 04/17/2007 : 00:22:51
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wrldtry,
That is great news! Glad you're feeling better this week. You're obviously on the right track. In the past I have had similar "neuro" symptoms as yours that lasted on and off for 10 years. They completely went away with TMS work (not journaling, though). The symptom imperative, however later replaced them with bladder symptoms (pain/urgency). I am finally doing depth journaling, which I'm hopeful will help resolve these symptoms as well. It has also been a challenge for me to not attribute the symptoms to a physical/disease process.
Take care,
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2007 : 23:35:27
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| How is this possible? One week ago I was in a hellish state because I had all those neuro symptoms; jittery, leg-butt tightness, pain and weakness leg/shoulder/arm, fatigue, waking early, extremely anxious and depressed. Now, a week later, I am ABSOLUTELY back to normal! If that isn't psychogenic, I don't know what is. |
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wharrison
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 05:51:50
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I am picking up on this obsessive worry concept. I read a book recently on worry by E Hollowell that I felt relates to TMS.
In a broad brush stroke, he believes that worriers are very active and probably very imaginative thinkers who need something for their mind to "chew on". If the worrier is engaged or obsessed in a project, then the tremendous amount of thinking/analyzing that powers the obsessive worry can be used to help solve problems in a positive way. However, if there is nothing positive for the worrier to use his mental energy and they begin to fearfully think of catastrophies. The very active imagination becomes their worst enemy and the same power that helped them achieve the great project pulls them down.
So what is the answer? Slow down our thoughts maybe? Make sure we are always engaged in positive work?
Not sure myself, I am still reflecting on this, but I think I am on to something personally. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2007 : 08:43:46
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Originally posted by wrldtrv
How is this possible? One week ago I was in a hellish state because I had all those neuro symptoms; jittery, leg-butt tightness, pain and weakness leg/shoulder/arm, fatigue, waking early, extremely anxious and depressed. Now, a week later, I am ABSOLUTELY back to normal! If that isn't psychogenic, I don't know what is.
Maybe because you got five pages of TMS advice and attention here at the TMS board, and your very welcome.
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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art
1903 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2007 : 20:11:23
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How is this possible? One week ago I was in a hellish state because I had all those neuro symptoms; jittery, leg-butt tightness, pain and weakness leg/shoulder/arm, fatigue, waking early, extremely anxious and depressed. Now, a week later, I am ABSOLUTELY back to normal! If that isn't psychogenic, I don't know what is.
The important question going forward is, how are you going to deal with this kind of thing the next time.... |
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2007 : 23:45:09
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Well, this was the quickest disappearance of those (neuro) symptoms yet. And yes, I am grateful to this board and the helpful input of the members on it.
As for how I will deal with symptoms the next time, I'm working on it. |
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