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kalo
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 Posted - 04/11/2007 : 11:11:15
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Hi Guys,
I know I am kind of the new kid, but I've been following this post for a long while.
First of drziggles is right about what he said. Well, maybe not in the way he said, though I am THICKED SKIN and I like when the truth is spoken to me even if it is harsh.
wrldtrv, I am a HYPOCHONDRIAC I USED to be on anti depressants and they did help me see things differently. Though, I will say that comming off them was HELL and you will feel neurological symptons, however it did help when I was on them.
In a while I will post what I am going through NOW and it is probably caused from being a hypochodnriac. Being a "worrier" is NOT helping in my healing and all the doctors appointments that my MD has schedule only because he feels for me is making me a nervous wreck. Having to see a neurologist next week and awaiting my MRI reports is making me a mess DUE to thinking the worst. Even though my MD who is (AWESOME) and has reasured me (TWICE) that I DON'T have the worst nuerological diease ALL his reassurance has not nelped. That is why I am schedule with all those test.
So, I know what you're going through, however, there is help and after I go through (for my own piece of mind) all those test, I am starting therapy.
Also there is a link to what ANXIETY can do to the body which I will post and ALL of the symptons in which you are describing is ANXIETY!!!! Wait until you see the list, maybe this alone will help you know you don't have MS.
Good Luck and I'll post later!!! |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2007 : 11:22:48
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Hi Kalo,
I understand how you feel as I battle with hypochondriasis as well..It is just awful..In any case, hopefully all those tests will show nothing to worry about! Even if they show something like herniated discs, for example, that does not mean they are causing the pain..I have several and I am convinced Dr. Sarno is right, they do not cause pain, psychological issues are the root cause of the pain and neuro symptoms..
Wishing you well,
Karen |
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kalo
USA
142 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2007 : 11:50:19
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Hi Karen,
Don't mean to steel wrldtrv's post, but THANKS, right now I am awaiting my MRI report and I am PRAYING that they tell me I have a herniated disc this way I won't have to see a neurologist.
If they tell me I am herinated I will SURELY go Dr. Sarno's route with GREAT relief!!!!
Anxiety does worsen any sympton and "Health Anxiety" i.e. hypcondria will make you THINK and even mimic symptons.
I know that when my Dr. REASSURED me that I don't have the worst neurological disease, geez, I can't even spell because it sends shivers down my spine I felt better.
TMS/Anxiety before I went to my doc. a second time caused me to start having drop foot. When my doc. reassured me my drop foot was gone in a heart beat.
But now I have right lower buttock pain along with a LITTLE numbing...Yeah, sounds like TMS, but my MIND keeps saying (like wrldtrv) but what if it's not....
I'll tell you this if everything comes back okay I will be much more relaxed and I will DO the SARNO WORK.
I think wrldtrv should celebrate that all his test came back negative and start working on his demonds which is hypochondria!
I am one and the first thing I did when I went to my doc. the second time was I admitted to being a hypochondriac and was scared of a certain disease.
He was so supportive and he still order those test just to make sure everything is fine. Hoever he did give me cymbalta which I have not started so far.
I still think I can beat this fear with THERAPY! Also there is a good book that is about worry called The Worry Cure which talks about hypcondria and also the fears of getting old or not having enough money.
I've started reading it and it totally makes sense!!!!
Good luck wrldtrv and Karen and I am glad this bored is around!!!
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 11:59:22
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Thanx Kalo! Good luck to you too! :)
I am going to check that book out, sounds perfect for me as well..:)
Take care,
Karen |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 12:06:27
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Hi Karen,
I didn't see anything unnecessarily harsh about Drziggles, recommendation to World, just straight talk to the point. World has been in an accute state suffering "extrodinary pressures". He needs to calm down to the point that he can deal with his emotional issues rather than obsess over the symptoms.
Doctors are very busy people and we are fortunate to have them around from time to time to set us straight. Dr. Ziggles corrected me recently regarding my views on Alzheimers and I thanked him for setting me straight.
By upbraiding him for straight TMS talk, we risk having him say "To hell with these people, I'm outta' here, I give them free advice and get rebuked for it".
Karen, I think you should examine why you feel it is necessary for everyone to make "nice nice", when it may not be in their best interest, time constraints, or in their character?
When we post on the internet, we throw ourselves open to being hit by anything under the sun and need to evaluate, is "this" relavant or is this not. We need to have "thick skin" to discard the inaccurate comments and accept the ones that ring true. Posting on the internet is not for sissies.
To me being "accurate" here is more important to this board's purposes than sugar-coating things. Life is not fair. Your enemy who tells you the truth is a better friend than your friend who lies to you.
I sincerely hope you don't take this too much to heart and ruin your day. Just read what I wrote, take it in, keep what may ring true, dialog and spit the rest out.
Regards
tt
some of my favorite excerpts from 'TDM' : http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2007 : 12:22:37
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Hi Tom,
All of what you said rings true actually..And when I think on it I feel bad for my comment to Dr. Z. I just don't take kindly to cursing, in particular, especially to someone who is suffering so much...But really it's not my business, it's up to wrldtrv how he feels about what Dr. Z. wrote..I did say in the reply to Dr. Z. that I knew he meant well, of course..I guess I am extra sensitive to how something is delivered because of someone in my life right now who is being very harsh and abrasive, long story I won't bore you with..
But, my point is well illustrated in your reply to me...I didn't find it in the least bit inappropriate...You were kind and yet firm in your thoughts..and I appreciate that..My whole point was the "how" of something is said can be as important as the content for sensitive TMSers..Perhaps I was projecting my own issues onto someone else...and...when I get really honest (embarassingly so)..I perhaps am holding a bit of a grudge that I never hear from Dr. Z on any of my posts..I even wrote him once and he never wrote back..until I wrote several times and then he said what I wrote was so long he never read it...Hmmmm...I know, I can be wordy! And I know,,,he is a busy doctor..
The last thing i would want to do is scare him away...I was just expressing my thoughts and reactions...I don't think i have that much power...
Whew, this board is really holding up some mirrors for me lately..And that is actually a good thing!
Take care!
Karen :) |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 13:28:15
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quote:
Perhaps I was projecting my own issues onto someone else...and...when I get really honest (embarassingly so)..I perhaps am holding a bit of a grudge that I never hear from Dr. Z on any of my posts..I even wrote him once and he never wrote back..until I wrote several times and then he said what I wrote was so long he never read it...Hmmmm...I know, I can be wordy! And I know,,,he is a busy doctor..
You were projecting your own issues here. I think you pay a lot of attention to how things having to do with other people "look" to you, who responds to you, and how people respond to you. And I notice that if they are not sufficiently "nice" or "attentive" you often become offended. (Perhaps I will fall victim to that this time?) Tom is right, the internet is a bit of a free-for-all and we need to keep it in perspective and not expect that we will not meet disagreement or that we can please everybody.
If wrld is offended by cursing or is angry that Dr. Z is clear and blunt, let him say so; you don't have to complain for him. It wasn't directed at you. Why police what people say to people who are not you, when it's a matter only of your own taste? People have a lot to do and a finite amount of time to help out and comment around here. If they don't respond, they are most likely busy or can't think of anything helpful to say. If they respond "to the point", they most likely want to communicate clearly and effectively and in a reasonable amount of time. You spend too much time worrying about what it means beyond that, when it generally doesn't mean anything beyond that.
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Littlebird
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 13:33:06
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I personally didn't find Dr. Ziggles' remarks harsh at all, but we each respond differently. I really liked the comments about facing the correct things, the emotional issues, rather than fixating on the physical symptoms. I have to remind myself of that every day.
But I want to address Kalo's comments about coming off antidepressants, because it's true that it can be very miserable if it's not done properly. Since these meds are often prescribed by family doctors, sometimes the patient doesn't get the most accurate instructions for tapering. (Or sometimes the patient decides to quit on their own and doesn't ask the doctor how to do it.) When the meds are properly tapered the side effects are minimal. I've done it both ways, and there was a major difference between the fast way and the slower way. Some people need to taper really slowly to avoid symptoms, so each person needs to work with their doctor and be clear about what symptoms they're having so the doctor is aware of the need to slow the taper in a sensitive person. So for anyone considering antidepressant or antianxiety medication, if they're nervous about getting off the meds later, they should know that they can wean off successfully if they work with their doctor to get their personal schedule for tapering adjusted correctly for their needs. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 15:06:00
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Hi ACL,
No ACL, you won't fall 'victim' to anything from me..I think that is a little dramatic, just like my reaction to Dr. Z. was dramatic...I have always appreciated your honesty and support on here and I still do, of course..I have no problem admitting when I am wrong or owning up to a particular character defect..Why do you think I just wrote to Tom that this forum has become a huge mirror to me? I already owned that it was probably my issue, so anything else said about it is really overkill...
As for policing what people say to people I think I am in good company with that tendency...We are all here to help one another, and when others have felt that I was being talked to inappropriately or in an unkind fashion, they spoke up..I will always be grateful to those people for doing that..
I can be outspoken and I often speak b4 thinking it through carefully..I don't think I am alone with this tendency either, not saying it makes it right, however...
The missing point I had made was only about the delivery.. I still feel the cursing was inappropriate whether coming from a busy doctor or the President. I have a right to my opinion, and chances are, my little paragraph won't even be read by Dr. Z. He is too busy..
I would edit it, but Art quoted me directly in the next section, so editing would do no good..I am not going to beat myself up over this, or allow it to become a huge drawn out drama like things can on here sometimes..I was just trying to soften the potential blow for wrldtrv, so my intention was good, even though I was out of place.
I don't think I can admit to being wrong anymore directly then this..And, I don't have a problem with short responses or direct responses at all..I know people are busy, you are right..I am lucky enough to have a computer in my studio, so in between painting, I get on the internet..
Short and direct responses can sometimes be more effective then my wordy replies..But when I sense that kind of impatience and frustration with someone suffering that much (ie..the cursing)..I find it uncomfortable. Should I have kept quiet about my reaction, absolutely.
Take care,
Karen |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 15:32:05
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| I edited my response to Dr. Z's comment to wrldtrv, in case he does read this thread again..He is very valuable on this forum, indeed.. |
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art
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 19:19:41
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TT said it quite well...I felt compelled to respond to Karen not to correct her so much as to reassure Dr. Z...He's an invaluable resource...My first thought was, oh crap, now he's just going to say to himself, this just isn't worth it...
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 19:38:27
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Wow! Let me first say, I am not in the least offended by Dr Ziggles remark. I am not that thin-skinned (though thx for thinking of me, Karen). Actually, I appreciate any constructive comments from anybody.
As to the question about meds, yes, I have been on Celexa for about a year and it seemed to have worked okay (not great) most of that time. But obviously something slipped through. Whatever is going on in my unconscious is obviously itching to explode out.
Actually, I've felt a little better the past day and I've arranged to get a refresher course of therapy. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 20:21:34
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You are welcome wrldtrv! I am so glad you had a better day today! I wish you all the best, always!!
My goodness Art..I already apologized ad infinitum and owned I was wrong to say anything about what Dr. Z. said to wrldtrv...I am even leaving the entire forum (partially) because of this! I realized that my sensitivity is not serving me or others when I over-react..I sincerely doubt that Dr. Z. would ever consider leaving the forum over one person (especially me) telling him that I thought the cursing was inappropriate..Again, I am not that powerful, nor do I want to feel responsible for something like that potentially happening..I owned my mistake, I edited my response (although because You directly quoted me, instead of just responding to me, he will unfortunately see my original response if he reads this all the way through!)
I feel badly enough about it and hasn't enough been said already? You and I are just on opposite ends of the Earth ever since our falling out on here..I had hoped we would be friends again eventually, but it doesn't seem so...In any case, I always wish you well too.. |
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drziggles
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 20:29:38
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I think that everybody's got to calm the ---- down!  Just kidding...
Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. Not that my time is any more valuable than anyone else's, but I just drop my two cents now and again when I can, when I feel that someone can benefit. I've learned in practice over time that you have to be somewhat sparing and selective with advice... I also find that like many others, I spend too much time here when I am procrastinating and not dealing with other things that I should be! |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 20:32:09
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| Thanx for being cool about everything DrZiggles..I don't know why I opened my big mouth about a conversation that had nothing to do with me..But, in any case, I apologize..And, I like your sense of humor in this last post! |
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 20:38:35
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Dr Ziggles,
Just to let you know directly, I was not at all offended. I recognize your strong phrasing as simply frustration; frustration at someone who is not acting in their own best interests. Your comments were right on the mark and of course but, it's not the first time I've heard them. The psych I went to for meds last year thought the same thing (and still does--I called him yesterday).
TT was right about all of us appreciating your professional input on this board. Hope to hear from you a lot more.
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art
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 22:36:05
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Karen, everything is so personal with you...I don't really understand why. It might be helpful to you to explore that. I've no hostility toward you. I'm simply responding to issues as they come up. I thought your response to Dr. Z was completely unwarranted and I said so, not to show you up in any way, but because I was genuinely worried about the man's continued presence here...
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 04/11/2007 : 23:13:59
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Art,
You must not have read my most recent post about learning about oneself and taking a break from the forum...If you read that, you wouldn't have had to suggest I take a look at myself, for example. I am already doing that, big time..I do sometimes take things personally, how many times would you like me to admit and repeat that? You seem to have this habit of driving things home, when the point has already been made clearly and accepted..Perhaps you might take a look at that tendency in yourself..I see it as a bit on the obsessive side behaviorally..
Sometimes, as in the case where you called me various names from selfish to narcisistic, it was meant to be very personal..I have tried to fully let that go, but because you and I never really got 'back on track' as friends, it has lingered in me..It is also part of the reason I am leaving the forum for now, as silly as that might sound to you or to a few others...I am sure I will fully release it soon, that is my intention..I have many wonderful insights and supportive exchanges with people on here to remember and carry with me...
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h2oskier25
USA
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 08:08:26
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Originally posted by wrldtrv
Worry begets worry.
Boy you said it. When I saw the movie the Secret, and they kept saying thoughts become things, I realized that I had to stop worrying because every worry was in danger of manifestation. I sure didn't want anything that I was worrying about to manifest itself.
Took a little practice, I bought the book "How to stop worrying and start living" by Dale Carnegie, and I held this thought in my head as often as I could:
It's not worth living if the Joy doesn't outweigh the fear, so let me concentrate RIGHT NOW on the joy of my life.
I've never forgotten the words of Jimmy Buffet. "If it doesn't work out they'll never be any doubt that the pleasure was worth all the pain." The only way I can live that, is to banish fear from my life, and trust in the universe to "work it all out".
Like I said, takes a little practice, but my fear and worry level has been reduced at least 10 fold.
Hope this helps,
Beth |
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art
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Posted - 04/12/2007 : 08:19:46
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| Beth, this is all very well said.. |
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