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tennis tom
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 Posted - 07/05/2010 : 07:57:43
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Originally posted by Whoaday
Hey guys,
...but I noticed when one goes away...another takes it's place...is this typical TMS?
Whoaday
It's called symptom substitution, when one symptom loses it's ability to distract the subconscious from the underlying emotional cause(s) and another arises to pick up the slack.
I'm undergoing one now. Recently I had two cortisone injection for my right hip. It was doing some good, (whether this was a placebo effect or structural, I don't have any way of knowing).
I did a few laps in the pool more than my norm, and developed a pain in my left shoulder. It made it difficult to get out of bed in my normal way. It would hurt for the first few laps of swimming but then go away.
It has lasted for several months, I'm not sure how long, I'm not calendaring it. The shoulder pain is almost gone now and I would probably not even notice it accept for my TMS awareness. I gauge it when I brace myself with the arm to get out of bed in the morning.
The shoulder pain started disappearing when the positive effects of the cortisone injections on my hip started wearing off. I've also had a Synvisc injection for the hip with no discernable results and will have a Subpartz injection shortly. Entertaining arthroscopic possibly, although the surgeon doesn't feel it would be effective and has recommended hip-replacement from the start, after reviewing the imaging, (he doesn't do replacements by the way, only arthroscopic).
So, if our emotional homeostasis requires it, the TMS gremlin will stealthly slip in a new symptom as a protective distraction, or dust off an old one : SYMPTOM SUBSTITUTION.
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Whoaday
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Posted - 07/09/2010 : 20:45:29
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Tennis Tom...so you tell me that it causes this or that TMS is trying to shield me but you never tell me what I can do about it
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tennis tom
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Whoaday
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 09:49:38
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Yes I did this a while back and then you asked me what my TMS doctor friend said and I said I dont have one and you said you were confused and that was the end of it...
Am I supposed to think it for shielding me? I thought that is why I'm experiencing pain in the first place?
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 10:08:59
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Originally posted by Whoaday
...but you never tell me what I can do about it
Whoaday
You can buy or borrow a TMS book from the library and read it. I've read at least six or seven of them, some several times. Every TMS book, whether by the Good Doctor or physician's trained by him or his devotees, has a program for recovery in it.
Recovery from psychosomatic symptom dis-ease, is not like going to the ER or Walgreens. YOU have to do some emotional thinking. YOU have to understand and accept the TMS theory, then sleep on it--maybe for many nights. Their is no morphine like silver bullet I can shoot you with. It took your brain a long time to develop your responses to stress, culminating in your need for benign physical TMS (psychosomatic) symptoms for a distraction and protector.
If all the TMS resources, books, videos, DVD's, books on tape, numerous blogs, and all the thousands of posts and "Success Stories" archived at this site, don't help or don't resonate with you, then there isn't much more "I" can do for you.
Then I would recommend traveling as far as you need to, and see a TMS physician, for the white coat imprimatur. If that doesn't help, he/she will recommend a therapist versed in TMS for deeper treatment.
Good Luck!
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Whoaday
USA
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 10:26:33
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Ok thanks.
I do read a lot of books I have unlearn your pain just havent started it yet. Another question for anyone...is stretching ok or is that feeding into the physical...I bent (at the knees) to pick something up off the ground today and man are my legs tight around hamstrings et cetera. They always have been.
Is stretching ok...or should i ignore it?
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 10:32:06
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Originally posted by Whoaday
Yes I did this a while back and then you asked me what my TMS doctor friend said and I said I dont have one and you said you were confused and that was the end of it...
Am I supposed to think it for shielding me? I thought that is why I'm experiencing pain in the first place?
Whoaday
We are both replying at the same time. I am NOT confused, what I said was I confused YOU with another poster here by the name of Walnut, who said he had a TMS doc friend. I apologize for that, but this is the internet and you get what you pay for.
Yes, you should thank it for shielding you, don't you thank those who help you? Dr. Sarno, in his latest book postulates that psychosomatic pain is a "protector" rather than a "punisher" as Freud theorized.
I don't understand what you mean by your last sentence. Could you please elaborate?
Cheers
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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tennis tom
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Whoaday
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 11:40:04
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Ok...understood and that's what I meant when I said you were confused...the wrong person not as in general...
I get the to cure it bad but what about before I work out...my legs are super tight
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 15:51:03
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This is the TMS site, therefore the TMS answer to tight muscles is JUST DO IT!
I have "significant arthritis" of the right hip, it may very well not be TMS. But after 20 minutes of walking my limp disapears.
I don't know anything about your medical history, so I havn't a clue if your tight muscle is due to a tumor, infection or a tear. If those things concern you, get checked out by a physician. If the white coat can't find anything wrong structuraly, than it's probably TMS.
In which case, JUST DO IT!
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/10/2010 : 20:19:47
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I've come up with another idea for you Whoaday. Go to the "Search" button, that's the one in the top right corner, between the "Members" and "FAQ" buttons, and search for "stretching" and "tight muscles". There will be many pages especially on stretching. It has been a topic here since the beginning of this site. All your concerns about stretching will be discussed there.
Good Luck
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Whoaday
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 06:15:12
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So, I am having a rough day. After my 4th night of nearly vomiting acid from heartburn...I wake this morning sore, all over my body, with a head ache, and slight nausea. Does this sound familiar to anyone...I guess we just have off days sometimes, which are worse than most people's because in some ways we are always off.
Just wondering if anyone else gets this...
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 10:10:26
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Do you take something for your heartburn? If not, you probably should, if it is at the point of acid reflux.
Sounds like you are still conditioned to feel "always off" which can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You need to keep working to recondition your thoughts about and reactions to the symptoms.
That said, sometimes we get sick. If you have headache and nausea, maybe you caught some kind of virus. Everything is not TMS... |
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Whoaday
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 11:18:16
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Dave,
No, I feel this way all the time...it's just at a higher level today. Always have headaches, fatigue, body hurting somewhere. Heartburn has been particularly bad, and yes I take something....everything prilosec, aciphex, tums, mylanta, pepto, gaviscon, pepcid AC, pepcid complete, omeprazole...alka-seltzer nothing really helps once I have the symptoms except the alka-seltzer...
Before anyone asks I have been looking over by the "white coat" as some call it over and over for this stuff nothing physical in their findings.
I would agree, however that conditioning has me wrapped by its little finger kind of thing. I haven't felt "well" since this thing started and I can never tell what triggers it or makes it worse.
I have a lot of stomach problems and feel bad after food a lot, but 1. that never happened till I started with the full blown anxiety/stress issues and 2. been to allergist am not allergic to anything cept trees and grass, and did celiac and other tests which came back negative.
I have IBS which I attribute for the pain but for a while I read on the internet all about how food could cause my anxiety...or this or that and nothing ever works. I have sarno books and schrubner I just have not really done any of the work because I am not sure where to start...
At the core...I FEAR...FEAR is what causes me issues I think...heartburn after a few days I wonder if my esophogus is eroding...I wonder if I will have life long problems there...I am ALWAYS thinkings...ALWAYS WORRYING...ALWAYS MONITORING...I need help
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marjrc
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 17:26:33
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Tennistom wrote: "Thank G-d for the gift of harmless, benign, TMS physical pain as a protection from even more painful emotional pain."
This statement had me crying when I read it. Obviously it hit me, so thank you for that, Tennistom. :)
swmr1 "My reaction is to be annoyed and vow to challenge the hell out of them. I don't know if that's too weird for you but it really works for me.
Sitting back and thinking about why all these things are happening and worrying only makes things worse for me. Going ahead with my day the way I want to (including intense physical activity) and saying "to hell with this issue" has almost always been an effective way to help me feel better. I feel in control and not like the victim of my own body. I also start paying less attention to niggling issues that I think many people have but don't pay much attention to. Shift your focus. "
Thank you too, for your insight as to what works for you. I am inspired by this thread and want to suggest to you, Whoaday, that perhaps all these pains and ailments you are having, that seem to be overwhelming you so much now, may all be happening for a reason. What that is, is up to you to find out. I used to always list my symptoms too, time and time again, as they changed, and as people asked about me. I can see now where that has lead me and am vowing to change that, to change how I think.
I am just a "Sarno beginner", so am not at all trying to impose my thoughts on anyone. I am thankful I happened on to this thread and to the support from everyone. :)
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Dave
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Posted - 07/15/2010 : 11:32:31
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Originally posted by Whoaday
At the core...I FEAR...FEAR is what causes me issues I think...heartburn after a few days I wonder if my esophogus is eroding...I wonder if I will have life long problems there...I am ALWAYS thinkings...ALWAYS WORRYING...ALWAYS MONITORING...I need help
You're right, the fear is the hardest part. It is a very tough cycle to break; you need to try to find a technique that works for you. When you are aware of the fear and monitoring of the symptoms, you need to stop that behavior. Just tell yourself to STOP IT and focus your thoughts on something else, such as what might be going on in your life that is affecting you negatively but you are avoiding or not fully appreciating.
If you are unable to break the cycle on your own, seeing a psychologist may help.
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Whoaday
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 18:17:30
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I am still having symptoms of heartburn now a month now...seems the alka seltzer isn't helping as much...I have to use it at night as i wake up with the acid in my throat...I have cheated a little bit and had bits of soda here and there and some spicy stuff while having symptoms but it's never been this bad before...
do I need to just do a SUPER bland diet for a while? Until the symptoms abate?
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 18:30:03
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Originally posted by Whoaday
I am still having symptoms of heartburn now a month now...seems the alka seltzer isn't helping as much...I have to use it at night as i wake up with the acid in my throat...I have cheated a little bit and had bits of soda here and there and some spicy stuff while having symptoms but it's never been this bad before...
do I need to just do a SUPER bland diet for a while? Until the symptoms abate?
Whoaday
You can buy or borrow a TMS book from the library and read it. I've read at least six or seven of them, some several times. Every TMS book, whether by the Good Doctor or physician's trained by him or his devotees, has a program for recovery in it.
Recovery from psychosomatic symptom dis-ease, is not like going to the ER or Walgreens. YOU have to do some emotional thinking. YOU have to understand and accept the TMS theory, then sleep on it--maybe for many nights. Their is no morphine like silver bullet I can shoot you with. It took your brain a long time to develop your responses to stress, culminating in your need for benign physical TMS (psychosomatic) symptoms for a distraction and protector.
If all the TMS resources, books, videos, DVD's, books on tape, numerous blogs, and all the thousands of posts and "Success Stories" archived at this site, don't help or don't resonate with you, then there isn't much more "I" can do for you.
Then I would recommend traveling as far as you need to, and see a TMS physician, for the white coat imprimatur. If that doesn't help, he/she will recommend a therapist versed in TMS for deeper treatment.
Good Luck!
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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Whoaday
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 18:45:40
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TennisTom,
Thank you but I have seen you write that EXACT same thing on at least 5 or more different people's post. I have the TMS books I read them but Im going through this heartburn right now and even dave said it is ok to use some stuff. Your generic pre written statement to me wasn't that helpful, but thanks at least for re-posting...
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tennis tom
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Posted - 07/28/2010 : 20:06:02
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Whoaday, you are exactly right, I merely copied my previous post to you, because you seem to need some reminding that this is the TMS board and not your usual health board that deals with structural and physical issues. It is contrary to recovery from TMS to keep reinterating and focusing on your phyical symptoms. By now you should be looking at the emotional stuff. TMS is not for everybody. Dr. Sarno, carefully screens his patients and only selects the ones he thinks will be receptive to the TMS "knowledge penicillin" he dispenses. He does this to save people's time and money. Maybe TMS is not your path. I won't bug you anymore. Oh, what the hell, have you tried Prilosec?
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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